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Bike gang boss: “Alexian Lien should have stopped.’


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In the aftermath of Sunday’s bike fracas, debate has ensued as to whether Alexian Lien went too far in choosing to plow through a throng of bikers, one of whom has now ended permanently paralyzed.

Addressing the issue of whether Alexian Lien went too far, Peter Douglas, president of a group of more than a dozen bikers based in East Orang, NJ, known as the Front Line Soldiers went on yesterday to fault Lien for not having remained stationary after initially hitting Christopher Cruz, said to have initiated this weekend’s fracas.

Although police have told that bikers vandalized Alexander Lien’s Range Rover and caused him to fear imminent danger to himself and his family’s life, Douglas has maintained that he holds grave doubts that any vandalism actually took place. In fact in comment threads on the web there have been assertions that Lien also caused the biker’s wrath by jeering at the throng as they enveloped him which may have also served to rile up hostilities.

Told Douglas: “They paint us all as bad, rogue people,”

“just because one ride goes wrong and someone gets hurt.”

Nevertheless public opinion has been staunchly against the bikers with many having gone on to argue that Alexian Lien had no choice but to plow through the gang.

Reflected a variety of commentators on the web:

The castle doctrine means you don’t have to retreat from your own home before using deadly force to stop a burglary, when if you were out in public, rather than using deadly force to stop a robbery or other serious crime, you would have to retreat w/o using deadly force if you could do so safely. How in the world is that a relevant question here? You think the driver could have retreated safely?


You are the aggressor because you were part of a pack of animals that were trying to get this man off of a public road so you and your man-children knuckle-draggers could play on a highway.

The only thing the guy in the Rover did wrong was fail to back up.


Me? I would have slowed down, or stopped if need be, and enjoyed the spectacle with my family, all those bikes buzzing around, doing tricks, being all badass. What little kid (or self-respecting grown-up) wouldn’t have thought that was cool? What I wouldn’t have done: been SO PISSED THAT I CAN’T DRIVE MY ROVER WHEN I WANT TO DRIVE MY ROVER that I paralyzed somebody for life.


I believe this began as some sort of road rage incident where Lien was mad that scores of asshole bikers were on the road and maybe honked at them or flipped someone off and it escalated from there. The bikers definitely bare the brunt of the blame but I don’t think Lien was an angel before the video began either. 

There is something about being in a car that makes people act very differently than they would if they were just on the sidewalk.

Alexian Lien
The initial incident caught on tape where Lien went on to clip the braking Christopher Cruz who had sought to agitate Lien

During his press conference, biker boss Peter Douglas went on to acknowledge that indeed the bikers themselves were partially at fault.

He went on to concede public outrage over the incident might have been muted if some of the bikers had not reacted so violently and perhaps not haven given chase to Lien after plowing off and instead just involved authorities.

Nevertheless Douglas went on to insist the biker’s their reaction were at least partially understandable.

“If you see someone run over your brother, you tend to react in an unprofessional manner,” 

“For the Range Rover to just blatantly drive over (a motorcyclist) … they’re going to follow him and make sure he’s brought to justice.”

Of course that also raises the question how far can a citizen go in enforcing a citizen’s arrest or bringing what they deem a crime to justice? Would that necessitate the use of aggravated violence in and of itself? Which in part hints the public’s anger at the biker’s reaction to the fracas and one could possibly imagine greater public sympathy had the bikers refrained from chasing down Lien and eventually beating him.

Alexian Lien
The beating of Alexian Lien as it ensued….

Then there was this comment on the web too that made me wonder:

Out f 100 people, and 99 of them would have driven off; the one idiot who doesn’t is the one that gets out of his car to fight and ends up in a coma or worse.

Lien did nothing wrong, and the police may agree. When asked if Lien was within his legal rights to race away from the scene of his accident with Cruz, New York City Police Commissioner Ray Kelly had this to say:

“It depends on whether or not your vehicle is being attacked, whether or not you think you’re being attacked, whether or not your wife and child are in the car. You have to look at the totality of the circumstances and that’s what we’re doing.”

My question to you: put yourself in Lien’s shoes. Spouse and small child in the SUV. Watch the video and tell me how you would respond.



  1. I’m recently reading about this story and it this was Liens fault why did he drive into the middle of the lane and drive over the biker attempting to murder this guy? While it#s true the bikers may have intimidated him that gives him NO reason to run the guy over he could of killed him

  2. In video we see many motorcyclist wear full face helmets whereas others have skid lids. The motorcyclist with blue shirt and white v-neck and black skid lid kicks Lien at the 178th street. There are 3 skid lids that seems to behave more aggressively than the others on 178th. Then on Henry Hudson Pkwy we see the 1. white-red shirt and 2. violet shirt-lime green bike skids passing Liens SUV using the right lane just before the nudge of Cruz bike .. but could not be found on the 178th scene. White-Red and violet-green skids saw Mieses being run over at a very short viewing distance. Did the skid lid motorcyclists know each other or just happened to wear similar style helmets by coincident?

  3. Shut the hell up you retarded amish troll, the only bias thing here is luck, luckily for those bikers they weren’t killed, unfortunately for us civilized human beings, they weren’t killed.

  4. The ONLY thing that is clear from the video is that Alexian Lien ran over three motorcycles and one man. The rest is all speculation.

    If Cruz was “brake-checking” the SUV, why didn’t his brake light ever come on?

    But you’re not interested in such questions, because you already jumped to a conclusion prior to having the facts or addressing the unanswered questions.

  5. There;s a version where you can see a few seconds extra before Cruz braked. The bikers engulfed the SUv. YOu can see his tyres are fine before this, but when he’s driving away you can see the back left wheel is drving on rims. A witness saw that the SUV had slashed tyres when it came to a stop.. They attacked his car, it’s why he sped off over the multiply convicted Meises.

  6. My conclusions about the Zimmerman incident came from 18 months of extensive personal investigation of the case, reading hundreds of articles and investigative reports, studying all the official police and court documents, and watching every minute of the trial.

    But, just as in that case, in which half the nation rushed to judgement against George Zimmerman, most of you are rushing to judgement against the bikers and in favor of Lien within days of the incident before any real investigation has been possible, and well before any evidence and testimony comes out in trial.

    It is that PREJUDICE – prejudging an incident or people – that I am steadfastly opposing. I am NOT judging the culpability or innocence of any party, but I AM judging the culpability of those who rush to judgement.

    The age of instant video and messaging encourages such mob prejudice, but it is no less harmful and abhorrent to society today as it has ever been.

  7. Folks, no sense in arguing with Robert Riversong. Simply Google-Fu and you can find that he’s one of those conspiracy theorist nutjobs. Lots of articles about 9/11 conspiracy’s and Secessionist movements in Vermont. Seriously… if Vermont wants to succeed from the United States, please go ahead. Don’t try to reason with a crazy person. Or it’s possible he’s just trying to egg people on here.

  8. Robert – not trying to pick a fight but regarding the Zimmerman case, I believe these were your commments:
    ” George Zimmerman has NO criminal record. Trayvon Martin, on the other hand, not only was truant for 53 days and suspended three times in half a school year, he has a record of at least two arrestable offenses – possession of a controlled substance and possession of stolen property – which were covered up by a Miami-Dade School District intent on improving its public image.
    Trayvon Martin also has an extensive record, on his hidden text messages, of criminal activity, drug use and possible dealing, and aggressive violence.”

    In this case, you have a family man driving with his wife and 2 yr old who we see getting beaten by a group, of which the ones that have been arrested end up having length criminal records (that is fact, no? Four men have been arraigned and their backgrounds are easy to google. Even Mieses has an extensive record, also easy to find.) Police have also stated they were reviewing footage but id’s were difficult because many of the bikes did not have plate or the plates were stolen (also easy to find). Footage of bikers that day committing all sorts of traffic violations, if not other crimes depending on what you consider riding on the sidewalk in the middle of a dense urban area, blocking traffic, riding against oncoming traffic (all these also easy to find).

    My question is you were willing to judget Trayvon based on record vs Zimmerman. Why are you defending these bikers vs Lien? Not tryign to pick a fight – really trying to understand the difference in your logic here.

  9. The only part of your brain you’re using is the part that leaps to judgement based on prejudice, bias and ignorance.

    “Bikers had been filming all day long”

    “mostly unlicensed bikers”

    “many of which have lengthy criminal records”

    “most of whom were committing crimes”

    Not one of those statements is supported by facts. That you have to resort to such gross exaggeration to make a case, indicates a profound bias or an abject lack or rational judgement.

  10. Those bikes didnt seem to have any trouble managing crowded traffic, running red lights, using the sidewalks, etc. But on an empty highway, they couldnt pass an SUV. Um ok…. hell, some of the bikes are on the right of the SUV. Passing, my butt

  11. “Why not consider the highly credible statements of the wife/partner of Mieses, the biker who was nearly killed by the rash action of Lien?”

    Please explain to us why you believe the wife of Mieses is HIGHLY CREDIBLE given that she was 1) not there, 2) attempting to speak on behalf of someone that’s in a coma, and 3) already had to change her claims – helping the injured biker on the ground vs trying to help the SUV family.

    You don’t know the facts either but I am curious why you still hold out favor for “reports that SUV sideswiped a biker” which are only speculative. Bikers had been filming all day long yet not a single img of this supposed instigation by the SUV has surfaced despite the fact the bikers are getting piled on by the press, public, and law enforcement. You would think one of the dozens of people with cameras that day would want to exonerate themselves.

    On the other hand, we do know there was a group of mostly unlicensed bikers, many of which have lengthy criminal records, most of whom were committing crimes simply by being on their bikes at the time, that had the wherewithal to beat a man and possibly a woman over a traffic accident, and acted violently that off-duty police officers feared blowing their covers would put their own lives in dangers… so your believe is this group just happened to be in the unfortunate circumstance of encountering a road raging family man driving erratically with his wife and 2-yr old daughter?

    Sure, we don’t know FACTS. And ultimately the courts will have to decide. But for now, most of us can use our brains and figure out what happened.

  12. YOU are a bane to humanity, and your abhorrent dismissal of those who need assistance (which is at least one third of Americans, most of whom are elderly, disabled, single parents or temporarily in hardship) indicates that you are less of a human being than most people who take public assistance.

  13. The organizer of the rally was not even present at the event, there was no identifiable leader, the bikers came from all over the northeast and most don’t know the others.

    This was a biker rally, and in no way, shape or form a gang. That you continue to insist otherwise, demonstrates your willful ignorance and bias.

  14. The poor specimens of human beings are those unable to work and do not like to work. They use their EBT savings to maintain motorcycles to create trouble for law abiding citizens. I am educated, I run a successful business, I employ people and work hard. The people on welfare are just lazy and those who enable them should be ashamed. They are a bane to humanity.

  15. No one is debating whether or not this unsanctioned rally of numb-sculls is an official capital B “Biker Gang”, but they are most certainly a gang, or “a group of recurrently associating individuals or close friends with identifiable leadership and internal organization, identifying with or claiming control over territory in a community, and engaging either individually or collectively in violent or other forms of illegal behavior” as evidenced by all their other illegal and obnoxious behavior throughout the city that day.

  16. You are still speculating and leaping to conclusions – which is the definition of prejudice.

    Unlike you, who is defending a man who nearly killed another, I am defending nobody – merely trying to defer judgement until all the facts are known.

  17. If to you, a troll is anyone who challenges your prejudice and false certainties, then I stand as a proud troll (but, of course, that’s NOT what a troll is and you are merely attacking the messenger because you don’t like the message, and a troll is always anonymous).

    Mieses’ partner’s statement about the diversity of the people in the bike event is NOT hearsay but clearly comes from direct knowledge (which you don’t have), because this is a participatory event organized every year by a local stunt biker and people come from all over the Northeast. It is NOT a biker gang – that’s a simple fact.

    So, it’s you who is playing fast and loose with the facts to support an obvious prejudice.

  18. If the “Asian way” is to laugh at the status of others or criticize those who may need temporary assistance (as 1/3 of all Americans do), and say that a man whose body was nearly destroyed by a panicked driver “got was was coming to him”, then I stand by my statement: your momma didn’t raise you right and you are a poor specimen of a human being.

  19. And clearly YOUR mother raised a TROLL. Sarah is correct. The whole incident is in the video just as she has described. What can also be seen in the video, only moments before the SUV takes off, is a biker pulling (hard) at the driver side door and another doing something (unclear) to the passenger door (granted, you do need to track down a hi-res copy, but they there to be found). Mr. Lien’s reaction was completely justified, which is probably why he has still yet to be charged with anything.

    Second, Mieses’ wife/partner’s account is hearsay as she was not even there to witness what she claims. So how exactly is her statement “highly credible”?

    “[They are] NOT a biker gang” – semantics.

  20. First..

    “Judgement is more important than eyesight”

    As I thought, you can’t make out the details on the video due to poor eyesight.

    Just to add some personal context, I’m married to a biker, my father was a biker and I’ve spend many long hours on a pillion. I am a middle aged biker’s chick.

    I’m calling the mob that surrounded the vehicle a gang. I never said they were some sworn in biker gang. Maybe the word ‘gang’ is specific to sworn in gang members in the US. I’m from the UK, to us ‘gang’ means ‘group’. I sure as hell have no bias against bikers simply because they’re on two wheels. My dislike of that mob was due to their behavior.

    You should do more research. The man that saw Lien get beaten also saw they had slashed tyres before they stopped, and the only opportunity for that was during the initial incident when the bikers surrounded the SUV. Lien and his wife claim they bikers attacked the vehicle then. So they are supported by evidence and a witness AND video footage. The same witness prevented another one of the mob dragging the woman (baby in arms) out of the vehicle after they smashed the passenger door open.

    Choice crowd you’re defending, Riversong.

    The biker they claimed Lien knocked over can be seen cheerily riding off. He’s been charged. Mieses was NOT tending to some knocked over buddy. No one came off their bike. The worst that could have happened was the front of the SUV nudged the ass of Cruz’s bike.

    So the SUV bumped Cruz’s bike when Cruz deliberately braked to force it to stop. He wobbled, but rode off, unharmed with the SUV forced to a stop. His buddies then mob around the SUV, some start slashing the types and hitting the doors. Mieses goes to stand in front. Whether he intentionally blocked them in or not, he did. And desperate to get his family away from some violent mob, Lien drives over him. If anyone’s to blame for the Mieses injuries it’s the men attacking the SUV, and himself.

    “The simple truth is that we don’t yet know the facts”

    Yeah we do, the whole thing is on video.

  21. I am raised like Lien and I would raise my children the way we were raised. The Asian way. The decent way.

  22. If someone harms my Baby and I have as much money as Lien, I would hire people to hunt these monsters down and bring them straight to hell. I am sure there are a lot of ex-Seal or Spetznaz sniper who can do it for fifty to a hundred grand or so.

  23. Ha! What a laugh. Fedex Drivers, Plumbers, Etc? Not what Mieses’ rap sheet says. More like: Cocaine Distributors, Unlincensed Drivers, “Aspiring Rappers” (Read: Unemployed and living on the Taxpayers’ dime)… Thise arrested like Chance and Sims are even career criminals. As far as I know, Mieses was good for nothing scum and he got what was coming to him. His mom Yolanda should not blame Lien (whose own mother raised him to be an educated, successful, law abiding family man) but should blame HERSELF for raising a dysfunctional criminal like Mieses.

  24. That you continue to categorize a large number of bikers in wholly pejorative terms further indicates the depth of your ugly bias.

    The front passenger door glass was damaged but never broken through, and there is a media picture of the mother and child emerging from the car on their own after the police showed up, so there is certainly question about the veracity of the statement you’ve quoted.

    The only thing that is, at this point, beyond reasonable doubt, is your deep and abhorrent bias.

  25. Judgement is more important than eyesight, particularly when your “sight” is obviously through a filter of bias.

    Cherry-picking the “facts” and statements that support your bias proves this.

    Why not consider the highly credible statements of the wife/partner of Mieses, the biker who was nearly killed by the rash action of Lien?

    “They are not gang members. They are not thugs,” Dayana Mejia said. “They are FedEx drivers, plumbers, military reservists, musicians. They are fathers and brothers and sons, and sisters and mothers.”

    This is an annual event organized by a stunt biker from NY which draws bikers from all over the northeast – it is NOT a biker gang.

    We also know that there were as many as five off-duty NYC policemen riding along. Are they among your “criminals” as well?

    Mejia also said that Mieses didn’t know any of the people he was riding with on Sunday aside from one friend who traveled to New York with him.

    There were also reports that Lien’s SUV had sideswiped a biker before being stopped.

    The simple truth is that we don’t yet know the facts, but people like you are quick to rush to judgement.

  26. I’d also like to point out the guy who stopped them killing Lien said they had slashed tyres when they pulled up in front of him. Which also agrees with the Liens saying the bikers were attacking the vehicle at their first stop and shows the bikers as lying anuses YET AGAIN. The witness also saw them dragging the wife, baby in arms, out of the SUV too.

    I quote (Sergio Consuegra):

    “When I started seeing this, I saw another one approaching the other door, he opened the door, he started breaking the glass, he finally opened the door, grabbed the lady in the front of the SUV and he grabbed her by her arms and was pulling her out of the car,’

    ‘She started screaming and she is holding the baby and that is when we started seeing the baby inside the car with her and everybody started screaming, ‘No, not the lady. Not with the baby. Please don’t do that.’

    This has already exceeded ‘beyond reasonable doubt’.

  27. Actually you can clearly see the rider who forced the vehicle to stop riding off ahead after the SUV stops. His name was Cruz, and he’s been arrested. He never came off his bike. You can also see him looking behind him into the SUV as he’s braking. What bought the SUV to a halt was NO accident, and after Cruz forced it to stop he rode of unharmed and never came off his bike. It’s not impossible the SUV bumped the back of the bike, but it was obviously insufficient to cause a spill as Cruz rides off without a pause.

    You can also, with a bit of patience, track the run over biker (Mieses) from his bike until he’s run over. There’s no injured or unseated biker to be checked on, and all he’s doing is standing in front of the SUV, blocking it’s exit with his body.

    Sufficient information is in the video. Have seen it, can clearly see the events. NOT bias, facts. Facts the police agree with. Lien’s wife has also said they were trying to force entry into the vehicle when they drove off. Having seen the video I’m inclined to believe the law abiding woman and not to believe the mob who’ve…

    A: lied when they said it started when a biker was knocked off and injured

    B: Forced an innocent motorist to stop for no reason

    C: Beaten the snot out of someone (in front of family)

    D: Have a group rap sheet longer than the bible
    E: Can clearly be seen mobbing the vehicle on film
    F: Lied AGAIN when they said Mieses was run over helping a downed biker, as he can be seen standing up in front of the SUV not near any one prone.
    G: Were mostly driving illegally to start with.

    I suggest you go to see your optician. I hope you aren’t driving with your poor eyesight.

  28. You must have access to a higher resolution video or to the minds of the actors, since none of that is evident without further investigation.

    You are making assumptions, speculating about events and motives, and categorizing the bikers without sufficient information.

    That’s the very essence of bias and prejudice.

  29. My comment about them being lying criminals is based on observing the actions of the pack on film, not on their being bikers. Not Bias.

    Cruz deliberately braked to stop the SUV, was never hit. Watch the video. Mieses stood in front of it which blocked their escape while the gang slashed the tyres and tried to punch through the window on the wife’s side. Watch the video, you can see them all up against the SUV.

    The claim that Mieses was checking on the biker that was knocked of is not true. There’s no floored biker until Mieses was run over.

  30. Yes, they wrongly attacked a citizen, but Lien was hardly “innocent” in this incident, as it was he who assumed the power of life and death first.

  31. Your extreme bias is clear. You’re not interested in the truth, only in casting blame in one direction.

  32. The SUV family called the cops multiple times, just before as well as during the incident.

    You should watch the video carefully before posting a comment. Mieses was blocking Lien’s exit, not helping a wounded comrade. While he blocked them in some of the others where slashing tyres and trying to punch through the windows.


  33. Which was probably why the biker Cruz forced him to a stop. Saw he was calling the cops and got angry.

  34. From watching the video carefully it looks like Meises was blocking the exit route of the SUV delieberately, there was no injured comrade, as the biker that forced the SUV to stop by braking (Cruz) can be seen riding off.

    The bikers are a lying pack of mainly criminals, contradicted by the vidoe footage at every turn.

  35. Please forgive poor Mia. She was spared the ravages of intelligence required to actually watch the video or learn anything about the background of Hollywood Stuntz or Mieses.

  36. After carefully reviewing the video several times, I have to blame Mr. Lien . . . . for missing Meezee’s head.

  37. Lien’s wife DID call the police. Mieses and his gang of thugs obviously did not.

    They brought justice into their own hands and attacked an innocent citizen.

  38. Lien’s wife did the right thing and called 911. Did the biker thugs do that? Nope.

    We are not a society of vigilante justice. We have people who do just that.
    To go out and claim justice is making yourself at risk for lawsuits and others.

  39. Run over. No question about it. I’m sorry to say but that is the only thing that has to be done when a gang of thugs scream at you, pound on your car and start making provocative gesture against you while you are with your wife and child.

  40. Lien needs to be charged with using his car as a deadly weapon against a bike and it’s operator, Mieses, who is now paralyzed whether he is innocent or not. Lien’s wife should have called the police and then Lien should have taken action but he panicked instead and to get away he ran over someone. The bikers should have taken his license plate number and given it to the authorities instead of their vigilante antics. So no one, the bikers involved in the beating and the man driving and getting the beating, used their brain just their testosterone.

  41. Blacks and browns are coddled by the media and despite lies to the contrary, are handled with kid gloves by the judicial system. The media and academia (and we all know who runs them, don’t we Ms. “Allred”…) have to go so far as compare sentences of white first time offenders to incessant, multiple offender blacks and hispanics to try and make it look like whites get off scott-free. The media never mentions that the sentences for whites they use in their stories are for first time offenders.

    Now Asians, because they are smart, successful people, are getting some of the same treatment whites do. Lien is lucky he’s Asian. If he were white, he’d be in jail right now for running down a poor innocent man of color, a man who was an honor student, pillar of the community, and shining example of all as to how to live their lives.

    Did Mieses even have a real job?

    He got what he deserved. Better than death. Because now he can sit in a wheelchair and know, deep down, his machismo earned him a new set of wheels.

  42. “Alexian Lien should have stopped?”

    If he stopped on the highway (of which he did try mid video but got his door violently ripped open), Lien, his wife and girl might not have been with us today. He had to drive, he had to let the police know what was happening. Lien purposely pulled into a crowded street for a reason, and this decision saved his and his family’s lives. If he had stopped on the highway? You would be reading about a family murdered with NO witnesses.

    Lien is lucky the scene was taped. Lien was lucky he found a crowded street with many witnesses.

    Lien had a guardian angle watching him that day.

  43. Look at the smashed window on the passenger seat, presumably where the Wife was sitting. There’s absolutely no reason to attack her at all. Scumbags needs to be behind bars.

  44. One of the guys in the group of bikes said the front biker brake checked and was slowing to a stop so the other bikes could pass.

  45. All the bikers in the group acted together and stopped in the middle of the highway surrounding the Lien family vehicle. When a few bikers became angry and violently attacked the Lien family SUV with a knife and tried to get inside. Lien thought that all the bikers act together and are violent. He had to make a split second decision. Wait for the bikers to break inside or flee for their lives. Most people would flee for their lives.

  46. Lien made a choice. He drove over someone that had criminal intent to hurt or mane him and/or his family.

    Mieses Jr had a choice, he participated in committing a crime. He and
    his family now must endure the consequences of his actions. If you do
    not want to do the time and suffer these consequences, then do not
    commit the crime.
    At least one from this group has been educated in the laws of physics.

  47. This doesn’t prove anything. The insta post that you’re talking about is a totally different group just discussing the incident. Fool!

  48. This guys is just talking about the incident. He’s not from the same fucking group. Ridiculous! Some people should be banned to use the web.

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