As new evidence comes to light as to what motivated Isla Vista shooter, Elliot Rodger on his killing campaign which saw him murder 6 sorority girls it has been revealed that the shooter was part of a men’s right forum that despised women.
The forum called ‘Anti Pickup Artist movement‘ (the site has since gone down as a result of the shootings) purportedly aims to reveal ‘the scams, deception, and misleading marketing techniques used by dating gurus and the seduction community to deceive men and profit from them.’
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The bitter, often misogynistic threads are full of tales of woe from men who don’t know how to get women to date them and blame the women themselves for the problem.
The dailykos also reveals how the disenfranchised and mentally ill man also subscribed to a variety of men’s rights group which vilified women.
Groups that Elliot Rodger participated in include the following:
‘The Player Supreme Show’ which rails against the feminization of men and talks about how to pick up women.
‘RSDfreetour‘ which is a series of self-help seminars run by RSD Nation, a ‘pick up artist’ site.
There’s also a user called McHenry Cruiser who in addition to being a pickup artist is a comedian who has some kind of beef with Louis CK, and another called ‘Squatting Cassanova,’ who seems to be your average PUA.
Rather than honestly coming to terms with why women did not date him, Elliot Rodger instead turned to various Men’s rights outlets, choosing instead to believe that they were the reason that (in his mind) he remained unloved and undesirable.
dailykos: He listened to these guys talk about being hard, and tough, and true alpha men. He did what they told them, and began lifting weights. We know he had an account on body building forum which was recently deleted by their moderation team.
So this kid who needed some serious mental help sought out the destructive, BS views coming from the men’s rights movement. He felt entitled to sex with women. He blamed women for not providing him with sex. He exposed himself to hateful rhetoric about women.
And then he acted on that hatred, and targeted college girls for a drive-by shooting, killed six, wounded seven, and then shot himself.
Read Elliot Rodger’s Retribution statement (see video below):
‘I’m 22 years old and I’m still a virgin. I’ve never even kissed a girl,’
‘College is the time when everyone experiences those things such as sex and fun and pleasure. But in those years I’ve had to rot in loneliness. It’s not fair. You girls have never been attracted to me. I don’t know why you girls aren’t attracted to me. But I will punish you all for it,’ he says in the video, which runs to almost seven minutes.
‘I’m going to enter the hottest sorority house of UCSB and I will slaughter every single spoilt, stuck-up, blonde s**t that I see inside there. All those girls that I’ve desired so much, they would’ve all rejected me and looked down on me as an inferior man if I ever made a sexual advance towards them,’
‘I’ll take great pleasure in slaughtering all of you. You will finally see that I am, in truth, the superior one. The true alpha male,’ he laughs like a maniacal movie villain. ‘Yes… After I have annihilated every single girl in the sorority house I will take to the streets of Isla Vista and slay every single person I see there. All those popular kids who live such lives of hedonistic pleasure…’
Could it be in a hyper masculine culture where young men are expected to define themselves by their sexual acquisitions, material success and hyped up male dominance (aka bro culture) that many are felt compelled to go overboard to prove that they are the alpha male women are supposedly desperately all looking for?
And then what happens amongst those males who through social inertia, indecision, a lack of confidence, poverty, who are not able to convince women that they are not worthy of love? What outlet do these men have and does it come down to a society where the Alpha male always gets the woman where as the rest fend for themselves? Even if that means taking to extreme violence as in the case of Elliot Rodger?
And then there were these comments on the web that made me wonder as well:
I’ve seen only a couple of news articles online that discuss the fact that the vast majority (though not all) of this country’s mass shootings are perpetrated by men, and has a lot to do with their socialized masculinity.
I am sick, sick, sick that in quick succession we have armed idiots entering restaurants basically brandishing guns, in an attempt to “normalize” such behavior, and now a machismo driven mass shooting! It’s like I told my niece before i read this diary and learned of the shooter’s motives, this was the ultimate macho fantasy action movie/video game: A guy with a black beamer, a semi automatic weapon, and a grudge!
what you are describing is a young man with a horrible self-esteem issue who wanted to desperately “learn” how to be more attractive to the opposite sex.
much like a young woman might become anorexic.
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Elliot Rodger Isla Vista shoot out. Kills 6 cause women rebuffed him.
Mr. Egoisticzeta – Thank you for trying to “educate” our Monday morning
crowd that brings the insults and the broad paintbrush to put down guys who have just withdrawn from the acceptance by women , or society, and bother exactly no one.
There are insults headed your way like “loser”, “geek”, “disease”, “entitled” and “anti-woman”. They need to paint you this way to prove to themselves that THEIR situation is better (50% divorce rate ) and that your contented way to live is “narcissistic” (?) and wrong. You really have to watch what you say because they do NOT want a conversation.
i’m from south america, so my english is not good but i will try to explain
many people associate elliot with MRA, but there is a wrong on this.
elliot didnt know about the zeta males(man going their own way). being a zeta is having a easy going life style. a zeta dont care about women’s acceptance, and society’s acceptance. a zeta lives doing what he wants to do. it’s a very free way. elliot was emotional dependent of women, this is not a zeta thing. a zeta knows he is alone in this world. i use my asceticism to be alone when i dont have what to do.
most important, the zeta is indifferant to woman’s acceptance. there’s is a brazilian writer called Nessahan Alita and he says about de importance of beying indiferent to women, he is christian gnostic and he says that we are alone, this is our nature, he says that only our soul will be with us after death, so we have to forget about famale acceptance and society acceptance. this writer even influenced masculinism here.
elliot didnt know nothing about this.
LOTS of average and not-so-attractive men have had girlfriends, wives, and children since the beginning of time. There is nothing wrong with being “average” or not “Hollywood” attractive. Most people marry one another or hook up because they have something else in common—-which is the ability to dialogue with one another about shared interests.
Agreed.
Again. He was a psychopath. Trying to make sense of his logic and apply it to wider base of people is foolish. He was not a member of an organized hate group. He was a lone madman. Despite his supposed vendetta against women he killed men, too. That’s not an opinion, it’s a fact.
There. Right there, Stackhouse. You picked up what was exactly his problem. Though I doubt he cared what the women thought of as worthy or not, since this narcissist considered himself an exemplar of the male half of the species.
I don’t think it’s about sex. It’s about ‘ownership.’ “I’m owed this. I’m owed that.” He thought he deserved a prom queen type that ‘belonged to him.’ Sex wouldn’t have solved his problems. For a lot of people, easily available and legal prostitution might solve their particular issues, but when your problem is “Someone should belong to me”, that’s not the attitude of a person who just wants sex. They want a slave. And that’s as disgusting and revolting now as it was when the 14th Amendment was penned.
I know Asperger’s doesn’t make a person violent. But it makes social interaction very difficult, and the subsequent isolation that it can lead to won’t help matters.
A de facto absurdity? Yeah, like when people said the Earth was flat and any person who dared to say the Earth was spherical was de facto absurd for claiming such blasphemy.
I can break it down for you more simply, if that helps: Feminism is taking women out of men’s control; men want women in their control; men cannot turn back the clock to when women were in men’s control; men get angrier and angrier at the fact that feminism has removed women from men’s control; [some, very few] angry men lash out and kill women in misogynistic rages because women are no longer forced to obey men.
The other thing MRAs love to try is the old you-just-COMPLETELY-contradicted-yourself-lol when a woman might say A = B, and A = C, ergo B = C. “Hahahaha, stupid woman just contradicted herself! I win! Men win! Women lose! Get back in da kitchenz!”
I repeat, JUST because there are SOME non-violent MRAs still poking around does not make the movement any less supportive of actions like Elliot’s. Re-read that if necessary, as you seemingly did not put together the first clause with the second, supporting clause. Even Hitler was said to be nice to kids and animals, so JUST because there were SOME nice Nazis does not make the their movement any less supportive of genocide.
(Yep, I laid that last line down just for you, so you can avoid all of the things you got wrong, and instead focus on something with the bugaboo word Nazi in it. You’ll probably consider that a win in your favor, just like no offense, other MRAs do when they say get back in your husband’s kitchen and make sammiches.)
Just to be clear here, individuals with Asperger’s is NOT Autism and even autistic individuals have feelings; you are correct that it would not have been the fundamental cause towards his actions though.
I just want to point out that I don’t think Asperger’s makes you violent lol
If he had Asperger’s, I don’t think he would care whether or not he was rejected, or at least I don’t think he would say such in these videos.
“Just because there are some non-violent MRAs still poking around does not make the movement any less supportive of actions like Elliot’s.”
Uh, yes it does. You just COMPLETELY contradicted yourself lol
The reason men kill women is because these men have a propensity to violence. THAT’S why they kill.
I would question which MRAs you are talking to if you say that most of them say that “men kill women because feminism is taking women out of men’s control.” Those men are either joking or they are attempting to hijack what MRAs are REALLY all about.
What you are saying is akin to a shooter blaming video games or guns: it’s an ad facto absurdum.
I’m female, Libertarian, pro-gun, pro-freedom, married, white, (and told I am attractive wherever I go), but am instantly shot down by MRAs with demeaning responses like Why the eff are you using up your husband’s electricity being online, you belong in the kitchen, B!TCH! Now make me a sammich. Frankly, that was the least offensive thing any MRA has said to me online.
I used to be a Men’s Rightser back when Mel Feit pioneered the movement. It was needed back then, or so I thought. Today however, men are getting custody in equal parity to women, and are the recipient of child support/alimony when the wife makes more money. If you are upset that more women get higher alimony more often, then get off your MRA duff and see to it that more women earn higher incomes, because the way the courts work is this: whoever earns the higher income is going to be the one who pays alimony. And the one who works fewer hours (or a less important job) will be the one who gets custody of kids.
I only described myself earlier because too many people (specifically MRAs and misogynists) instantly label all women with self-respect as “Liberal, fat, ugly, anti-gun, man-hating dyk3s”, and that is far from the truth for most feminists. But it sure does the job of shutting down a woman’s voice by bullying and out-screaming her. If feminism were accepted by more men and less reviled, this psychopath might have had far less of a reason to kill. I always get told by MRAs that the reason men kill women is because of the anger that feminism caused by taking women out of men’s control.
Just because there are some non-violent MRAs still poking around however does not make the movement any less supportive of actions like Elliot’s.
He killed his [male] roommates not because they were male, but rather because he was going on a suicide mission SPECIFICALLY INTENDED AGAINST WOMEN ONLY, and he knew he wasn’t coming back.. Perhaps his [male] roommates tried to stop him? But they weren’t targeted for being male, nor being human; his focus was to exact revenge against ONE group only — females.
Horrible white supremacists often kill [white] people who get in their way while trying to kill their intended targets, people of color. Just because some of this psychopath’s victims happened to be male in no way negates his proud and intentional misogyny. To try to diminish his proliferation on boards such as Return of Kings and MGTOW is disingenuous and gross of you.
Misogynists and lower-level woman-haters are all over the Internet praising him for his intended goal. Yes, he was a psychopath, but he was not the only one. There are countless others swearing to pick up where he fell short in his retribution.
Let’s not lose sight of the fact the dude stabbed his roommates to death while they slept, who were all other guys. When did we as a culture start believing everything a psychopath says?
I’m sure he was pissed at women for perceived slights but the guy was a psychopath, and seemed to hate guys as much as women. Let’s not dwell too much on the insane reasons he gave to justify his murders.
Frankly, I think part of the problem is that a lot of guys that teach pick up hate their old self and are appauled at who they were, so when they finally strike that right balance (that for some of us, including myself, a pick up coach YEARS) they might say “I was an AFC and now I’m a PUA” yet, they really never divulge themselves completely probably because they fear they will be attacked or their old “afc” selves will rub off on them.
And I agree with PUA Hate at one level, a lot of it is gimmick, hype and fluff. Who the fuck REALLY believes a goldfish will get you laid?
We have to make this shit look easy or else it will scare off a lot of potential clients, yet, that works out in the clients detriment because they don’t understand what it’s REALLY like to be a cowboy out in that field.
I recently dropped out of the pick up artist community marketing because I felt that in order to become marketable, I had to bury the truth behind some “goldfish” gimmick. Now, I am doing things my own way, have no problem admitting that I’ve still got a long way to go before I’m legitimate James Bond and if the long answer is what it takes to get it into these guys heads than that’s what I’ll give.
Breaks my heart that Elliot has had his heart broken to this extent.
Breaks my heart that we live in a world where one rumor about you or one awkward statement out of the usual can get you blacklisted.
And the only way you’re going to survive it all is being a fucking cowboy and being willing to drop anyone out of your life that doesn’t benefit your purpose.
It sucks we live in a world where women don’t say what they really mean or that guys feel like they have to act like gay, finicky women just to get acceptance from women.
This is the world we live in, so we turn as many women our way, even if it’s just for a night or 2, befriend other cowboys who feel the same way about life as you and we live our lives with purpose.
If you’re a PUA and you’re reading this, go as deep inside of yourselves to offer your soul when dealing with these guys, even if it makes you look a little “soft” and “weak” because it just might prevent something like this from happening again.
He was not a student at UCSB, he was a student at Santa Barbara City College, SBCC, a two year tech school which offered film studies and photography, rated #1 community college in the nation, but it is not the University of California at Santa Barbara, considered public Ivy League school.
He wasn’t trying to date women that were his classmates at city college, the girls he targeted were UCSB students.
He was not a student at UCSB, he was a student at Santa Barbara City College, a two year tech school which offered film studies and photography, rated #1 community college in the nation, but it is not the University of California at Santa Barbara, considered public Ivy League school.
The girls he targeted were UCSB students.
Exactly the point I was making.
Both sexes are guilty of turning down ‘average’ in lieu of holding out for ‘more’ in their minds. Both are wrong for doing so. Thankfully, not all of these scenarios turn out w/deadly consequences, but too many do, as we hear about them too often.
Youth today needs to show more respect for each other, regardless of what their affiliations are, or looks. The bullying is out of control & the internet makes it all the easier to do. Kids today value themselves on the # of ‘friends’ they have on FB. How pathetic. The ones w/hundreds & even thousands, would never even speak to 98% of these people in real life, if they were not ‘found’ on FB. Because they would never even run across them, to begin with, physically, to even become ‘friends’… which is something else they don’t know the true meaning of.
It’s truly laughable to boast about ‘friends’ on websites. But it’s where kids put their value, these days. They are clueless as to what real values are in life.
It is a fantasy life, that when reality hits, too many can’t handle.
If everyone was raised to show consideration, compassion, empathy & respect for ALL others, we wouldn’t have half the problems we do today. That goes for our youth & others, as well.
There should be ZERO tolerance for it in homes, schools & in public.
But sadly, that’s a real fantasy too.
And I’m sure he had a few average girls he went to high school and college with who probably thought he was cute & tried to get his attention but he probably dismissed them without a thought because they weren’t supermodel material. Of course, after this, those average girls will probably be busy re-evaluating their standards about the guys they’re attracted to now, as well.
A few of the first ones were from puahate before they were taken down, others were taken from compilations from various “Manosphere”/MRA forums. The others were from comment sections of youtube videos dedicated to the killers.
I think that the violence issue and the women issues are two separate things.
I think there are a lot of contradictions when it comes to women, but just because I think this doesn’t mean I want to go on a shooting or stabbing spree.
I think that the violence issue is separate from the women issue, although the two are closely related in this young man’s case.
I think that in general, disdain for women can come in many different forms.
One form is the rapist, another form is the domestic abuser.
But I think there is something to be said about the “anti-woman” movement that exposes contradictions within the female community. That in and of itself is neither “evil” nor “violent.”
So the problem here was the violence: whatever caused him to snap.
And although, in his case, it might have been the “anti-woman” mentality, not all “anti-woman” mentalities lead to violence.
I’m scared about how this is going to be used to further the feminist liberal cause and attack MRA’s, libertarians, guns rights activists, etc. THOSE are the sections of society that are just when it comes to being “anti-woman.”
However, violence is never a solution for any ideology unless your life is in danger.
I’d consider myself an MRA, and it would never occur to me to do what this loser did.
The websites that cater to MRA/MGTOW/What-have-you that I’ve frequented are quite vigilant when it comes to responding to overt or implied violence. Yes, sometimes their contributors cross the line from being anti-Feminist to anti-female, but every movement has its fringe elements, and it’s those individuals that become the center of attention when tragedies like this happen. I certainly wouldn’t suggest that Valerie Solanas was representative of the entire Feminist movement; it would be nice if Mr. Koulouris made similar distinctions.
Judging from his “manifesto” (a part of me cringes at that word as time goes on), Eliot showed symptoms of classic Narcissistic Personality Disorder. It’s rumored that he also suffered from Asperger’s Syndrome, a mild form of autism that oftentimes makes social interaction very difficult. These facts don’t seem to be mentioned in many of the early reports about the case, nor do any of them mention the fact that several victims of the rampage were male. Even worse, when you read about his background, he could hardly be called underprivileged. He really was without excuse.
To me and many others, an integral part of Mens Activism is urging men to forsake popular culture, take responsibility for their lives and put their God-given talents to use to make the world a better place than it was when they came into it – in other words, do the exact opposite of what this loser did.
He should have sold that car, hit up his rich father for some loot and flew to thailand for 12 months. He would have returned well satisfied.
Which Website was this?
If he asked out an average or even below average looking gal, he may also have had at least a kiss or two under his belt. He, like others, was going for women out of his league & not getting what or who he wanted.
Someone that wasn’t considered some raving beauty, or in some stupid sorority, would probably have gone out w/him & enjoyed their time together. We’ll never know now.
He had numerous therapists over the years & also meds. Whether he was taking the meds is something I don’t know. However, he was given a lot of therapy, that apparently didn’t do him much good. He should have been institutionalized. But, b/c he cut the mustard w/seeming ‘normal’ when questioned, he was allowed to be in society & kill when he finally snapped. Not unlike others, who’ve done the same. We will never learn.
Some quotes sampled:
“I am calling him (George Sodini) a hero for being a symbol for the consequences of denying men sex. Something like this has to happen, perhaps hundreds of times over again, before feminists get the message.”
“There is a lot of G.Sodini’s out there. Men who are angry as hell at women and sick of rejections by women”
“george sodini is a hero,just like george hannard and marc lepine.may they all rest in vahlla. those bitches will reject you no matter what,they deserve what ever happens to them.they will ignore you and pretend they dont hear you and just do any thing to make you feel bad or make it seem like they are higher than you..may all of those cunts rot in hell”
“Women controlling the courts getting alimony, child support and the custody of children because she has a hole between her legs and two x chromosomes? Every fucking law has been made to protect women. We need more people like George Sodini in this to expose the injustices of the law and the dating scene. Sodini = warrior”
“The evil women have taken another one of our brave soldiers (Elliot Rodgers)
Stay strong my brothers”
“This gentleman (Elliot Rodgers) was a visionary.”
“Women simply have to accept this incident as a tax.”
“The western woman refuses to know her place, and this whole “my body my choice idea” that tells women they are entitled to decide when they have sex and children has created an imbalance in society. The myth of female autonomy and rights is a social disease, and this is the final solution”
That was all stumbled upon just after browsing for a few minutes.
And they insist on infecting every nook and cranny.
The website he frequented hailed George Sodini as a hero for what he did. These people are a disease.
Trying to victimize the killer. No, I am sorry, he’s not a victim.
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He hated blonde white Christian woman, and that Jew killed them because of it.
As my policeman co-author said about why womankiller George Sodini couldn’t attract the opposite sex, “It must have been his smile”. (See picture of George Sodini to truly appreciate this).
uh… no… this is not much like a young woman might become anorexic. I might concede this young man needed some serious guidance, likely counseling and possibly medication. But, I will not concede that shooting at people with the intent to kil,l from lack of acceptance, is like a person becoming anorexic. One does not equate the other.
“He felt entitled to sex with women. He blamed women for not providing him with sex.”
True. And awful. He also placed his entire personal value in needing to be considered ”worthy” by women. A horrific combination of mindsets.
Maybe a visit to a legal brothel in NV when he was 21 would have ameliorated a couple of problems. The co-eds he went to school with did not owe it to him to have sex with him and his own character and attitude is likely what put them off in the first place.