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James Holmes rejected from gun club cause his answering machine was too freaky. Realized he was being creepy deliberately

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Said Glenn Rotkovich: ‘I called to see if he could come down for an orientation and I got his answering machine and the message was just bizarre, freaky,’

‘I thought it was weird and strange. I called a couple more times and then decided not to call again because of the nature of his answering message.

‘I gave my staff his name – James Holmes – and told everyone here to get me if he shows up at the range. I wanted to know who he was before we considered doing anything with him, let alone make him a member. He was flagged.’

Mr Rotkovich goes on to tell the dailymail that at first he thought that James Holmes was drunk on the answering message because he was slurring his words but on subsequent listens he realized the creepy voice was deliberate.

‘The message was guttural, spoken with a deep voice, incoherent and rambling,’

‘I could make out that he said his name was James but not a lot else. On first listen I thought he might have been drunk but after I’d heard it a few more times I realised it was deliberate. He meant it to sound that way.’

It is understood Mr Rotkovich called Holmes on June 26, 27 and 28 but the unemployed student never got back to him or showed up at the range, which has just over 400 members.

Gun club: Lead Valley Range, pictured, in Byers, Colorado rejected the gunman because of his sinister answering message

It may have been fortuitous that Mr Rotkovich declined the young man entry into the club, but for as much flack clubs like Mr Rotkovich’s receive at least he practiced good diligence in declining James Holmes membership who it can now be shown had an active desire to learn how to use and practice with the gun. Perhaps even then he had the premonition that he would be soon carrying out a mass shooting.

Then there was this thoughtful comments I came across:

I am a member & one of the directors of a large skeet & sporting clays shooting club here in Canada & we vet everyone who wishes to join or shoot here. Visitors are never allowed to wander aroun d or shoot without having first been chaperoned by at least 3 board members until everyone is satisfied they are safe, normal & of no threat to themselves or anyone else otherwise they are asked to leave. If we do not like the look of somebody we reject their application & they are not allowed to shoot with us. It occurs to me that the management of this shooting club were very correct in identifying a wierdo who was a danger to the other members, himself & the general public yet why could the police not also point the finger at a very obvious nut & aprehend him before he had the chance to do anything?…In our politically correct world gone mad, we are too afraid to point a finger at someone & say “That guy is really wierd & should be taken out of circulation BEFORE he does something”….

According to the NYT: “He also bought bulletproof vests and other tactical gear, and a high-capacity “drum magazine” large enough to hold 100 rounds and capable of firing 50 or 60 rounds per minute — a purchase that would have been restricted under proposed legislation that has been stalled in Washington for more than a year. … [Holmes} was able to buy the ammunition without arousing the slightest notice from law enforcement, because the sellers are not required in most cases to report sales to law enforcement officials, even unusually large purchases.”

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Gun rights groups and individuals are not the ones doing this violence. And they are not causing it. The image of this guy is shaping a familiar pattern of rejection and confusion about himself and who he was. People like that get thrown over the edge by violent movies and videos and certain kinds of hard core music. Others knew he had problems, as did his parents it seems. Ya, everyone should have warned the police, but what could they do given the current restrictive state of our laws.

 

Could this be the bitter lesson learned in this horrible incident? A psych test for every applicant for a fire arm? If this kind of thinking were applied for gun ownership there would be 12 people still alive today. There has to be some way to ferret out these loose cannons or this is just going to be a common occurrence. God help us as this insanity seems to be spreading like a virulent disease………….

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  • They should check if the number he called was the kid’s actual phone number

  • tm54

    Why was it legal to purchase 4 guns and 6000 rounds in less than a month? My x husband who is biopolar has personality disorder…..is violent towards women….was convinced that when a democrate took office he would loose his right to bear arms and has stock piled these weapons (and many more) and ammo. Honest!!!! There is no reason ANYONE should have that many assault weapons and ammo. It doesn’t matter is you are a republican or democrate…(I don’t happen to be either) this is wrong and should be monitored. If you are that paranoid and fearful and think you need that much protection from the world …it’s a no brainer….you are mentally unstable!!!!

  • gunowner

    You’re right. Gun rights groups and individuals are not doing this. Crazy evil people do crazy evil things. A psych test for gun ownership? And just who is going to set the parameters for that? We’re all a little crazy in some way or another. And then what? Psych tests to own a knife? To own a claw hammer? To own a baseball bat? Where does it end? You cannot legislate the bad intentions of bad people. Bad things happen, that’s life.

    I am a member of Lead Valley Range and I am glad someone as vigilant as Glenn was able to realize this guy was a nut case. Apparently other people did as well, and no one did anything about it. It doesn’t sound to me like a psych test was necessary for this guy. If someone knew he was so out of control why did nobody do anything?

  • Sport4141

    yeah Galileo is a mad man, he says the earth is round. lets take him OUT OF SOCIETY BEFORE HE DOES SOMETHING WRONG?

    I’m not comparing James Holmes to Galileo — I just thought that last “thoughtful comment” was a bit pretentious