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Why did Christy Sheats Texas mom shoot daughters dead?

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Murdered by their mother, Christy Sheats were daughters, Madison Sheats (left) and Taylor Sheats (right).
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Murdered by their mother, Christy Sheats were daughters, Madison Sheats (left) and Taylor Sheats (right).

What led to Christy Sheats Texas mother shooting dead her own two daughters? Family home had been scene of prior police visits while neighbors recall ‘great family’.

Christy Sheats a 42 year old Texas mother has died after been shot dead by police after earlier opening fire on her two daughters after a family dispute erupted and dragged out on to the street in a normally quiet suburb just outside Houston.

Killed at the mother’s hands were daughters, Taylor Sheats, 22 and Madison Sheats, following an altercation spilling from inside the family home and onto the street in Flusher, Texas on Friday.

The mother’s death came after Christy Byrd Sheats refused to drop her gun as responding police officers arrived at the family home.

At the time, daughter Madison was declared dead at the scene while elder daughter, Taylor died soon after being airlifted to hospital.

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Did Christy Sheats history of mental illness lead to shooting?

Christy Sheats husband, Jason: ‘Don’t do this. They’re our kids.’

Christy Sheats gun lover: ‘I want to protect my family’

Christy Sheats

A report via KPRC tells of the commotion beginning just after 5pm Friday, after police received an emergency call early Friday evening after a barrage of gunshots were heard.

Upon arriving, police found daughters Taylor and Madison lying outside in the 6000 block of Remson Hollow Lane, unresponsive. 

Upon their arrival, Christy Sheats was still holding a pistol, with a Fulshear police officer forced to shoot the defiant mother after refused to put her weapon down, said Troy Nehls, a Fort Bend County Sheriff.

Of question is whether the Christy Sheats was pointing the gun at the responding police officer or at one of her daughters.

A report via the Houston Chronicle told of the husband and father being home at the time, but not injured. The father was later taken to a hospital suffering from shock.

Told Sheriff Nehls: ‘It was a family argument that turned into a shooting. But we’re still trying to put the pieces together.’ 

Asked why the mother resorted to killing her daughters, the police man said it was too early to establish a motive, adding: ‘Right now, all we can do is try to pray for the father and the husband so he can try to work through this.’

An acquaintance of the family said ‘they were always cheerful.’

Neighbor Austin Enke, who said he had attended school with one of the daughters, told KHOU: ‘It’s crazy. The neighborhood has never seen this kind of thing before. It’s always quiet. This is surprising. They never showed any kind of thing that was wrong with them whatsoever.’

Told a neighbor via KTRK‘Those parents are good. They are hard-working,’

‘I do not know how this happened.’

However, other neighbors say there may have been marital problems.

Of note, authorities had been called to the family home multiple times in the past, but it remains unclear why.

Christy Sheats

On September 2015, Sheats posted a photo of her two daughters on Facebook, writing: ‘Happy Daughter’s Day to my two amazing, sweet, kind, beautiful, intelligent girls. I love and treasure you both more than you could ever possibly know.’ 

Tributes poured in for Taylor on Facebook on Saturday, where friend Joanna Higgins wrote on their high school alumni page: ‘I’m in utter shock. She was so talented and had a heart of gold. God rest her soul and those mourning her loss.’

Madison’s former teacher Whitney Mae Bruce wrote: ‘My heart is broken this morning to find that my sweet Madison Sheats lost her life. Always positive and smiling, Madison quickly became one of my favorite students four years ago while teaching for the first time in Katy. 

‘A wonderful student/person/babysitter will be missed enormously. Please pray for her father.’

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Christy Sheats’s husband and father being taken to hospital.

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  • Ohhhhhhhh man @Wulgus:disqus: you tough guys and your private profiles just kill me!

  • Wulgus

    yes you are retarded. retard

  • Three months and you come back with the same insult?

    And I’m retarded? Lol! @Wulgus:disqus

  • Wulgus

    thank you for being retarded

  • AugustineThomas

    I know you’re part of the Immoral Majority and you hate the guts of anyone who hates your disgusting perversion. I’m sorry and I truly hope you overcome your sins!

  • AugustineThomas

    Aw, the flabby hairy old Leftist can’t respond. Just another brainwashed Secularist Leftist coward who only knows mob tactics because he doesn’t believe in anything but pornography and drugs.

  • Leigh Knight

    In truth, we are MUCH less healthy with each generation. It was common with my ancestors to live to 100, AND had much more QUALITY of life. From my guestimations, we lose about 10 to 15 years of quality life every generation. When the Europeans first hit these shores, it was written that the elders were up to 130 years old. So they killed them. The killing continues to this day. As long as they (your “elected” officials) can keep us distracted by fighting ONE ANOTHER, we won’t pay attention to what they are doing….. stop bickering over b*llsh*t. It is all smoke and mirrors……

  • Leigh Knight

    Frank skipped his meds, again…

  • Leigh Knight

    LOL !!!

  • Leigh Knight

    Sounds like you drank the Kool-aid DocSlappy…..why do you steer clear of the issues and blame it all on liberals??? Did you skip your meds, again?? ALL POLITICIANS ARE THE SAME—party is irrelevant. All rattlesnakes are poisonous, not just the ones in Texas….A turd by any other name still smells like sh*t. You need to place blame where lies and corruption originate, the US government. I wonder how many innocents were killed, raped, robbed, and stolen from to buy your life-style and the very ground you occupy?

  • Wulgus

    you are retarded

  • Boo Hoo

    You can die trying. 😀

    Good luck!

    PS: Get back to me when you’ve learned the difference between fear and contempt.

  • AugustineThomas

    Oh right, but a Secularist manboy potty mouth who goes around cursing at people who scare him is the definition of an enlightened adult. Shmuck.

    You have the sound of an unhinged Christian hater, which is probably because it scares the death out of you that we might take back over and outlaw your favorite sin.

  • Boo Hoo

    Sorry, I was just responding to your “Nazi baby-murdering government can further enslave us.” comment. It had the sound of an unhinged Obama hater, which I’m sure you are, regardless of your ethnicity. Anyone who says that, combined with this: “This country keeps turning into more of a hellhole, the more people stop going to church.” can pretty much be dismissed as a fucking loon, which is what you are. Conversation over. Good day, sir.

  • AugustineThomas

    By the way, let me know if you ever want to answer the argument rather than doing the wimpy Secularist “tinfoil hat” thing (which only works with other members of the Immoral Majority).

  • AugustineThomas

    May the majority of Catholics stop being wimps who are incapable of reasoning like adults.

    Also, Cotton Bowl Queen? With a named like “delasierra” that sounds pretty racist. Oh yea! I forgot, “white people” don’t deserve protections, they deserve to be punished by the “people of color” for past transgressions (such as modernizing the world and adding 30 years to the lives of “people of color” everywhere).

  • AugustineThomas

    I’m mixed race. Let me guess: you’re full white and you’re going to tell me how, as a partial brownie, I’m not capable of supporting white people against “social justice warriors” without being an “Uncle Tom”.

  • AugustineThomas

    In 1938, Hitler signed a new Gun Control Act. Now that many “enemies of the state” had been removed from society, some restrictions could be slightly liberalized, especially for Nazi Party members. But Jews were prohibited from working in the firearms industry, and .22 caliber hollow-point ammunition was banned.

  • AugustineThomas

    You’re probably a flabby hair old Leftist/”Liberal” who bloodsucks the people who actually still earn a living, either through a government job or directly through welfare. 🙂

  • Rick Stewart

    Yes, I am sure the Queen says “after been shot dead.” No where is “been” a replacement for “having been” or “being”; it is not even found in the Oxford Style Guide. I am sure the first sentence run-on and on and on was purely for dramatic affect. Stick to the Globe if you’re wanting to do drama. I am sure Mr. Miyagi would be proud of you for your use of “after … after” more than once in this piece.

  • Miley Seim

    It’s just so sad that the father didn’t bring his gun to the family
    meeting this time too. If he had at least done that, like all
    responsible fathers do btw, he could have killed the mom right after she
    killed the first daughter, then this would have been another story where
    guns save lives.

  • Thanks Rick. We’ll just stick to grunts, chicken scrawl and the occasional primal scream to make our point known. That’s what’s you get for learning how to speak English from the Queen’s dictum, alas ….

  • Rick Stewart

    @scallywag:disqus, please invest in the author’s education. Buy him a high school grammar book.

  • Sanzu River

    Kitchen knife wielding mom can be stopped by dinner chair wielding daughters. Knives simply don’t have the range a gun has and requires more skill or the right situation to inflict deadly wounds.

  • Sanzu River

    DUI can result in loss of driver’s license, so it’s not really to much to ask to apply that same standards to guns. You jump to banning cars and alcohol as if it’s the only alternative. Let’s not even mention that commercial truck drivers are subject to several regulation to even get a license.

    If someone cannot pass a background check or mental illness history check, then that person should not be allowed to own a gun. Closing loopholes and ban straw purchases would also be helpful to prevent guns from falling into the hands of criminals. Mandatory gun safety training course would be nice too.

    Only the “Liberals” in the Conservative’s imagination wants to ban all guns. Most Liberals would be happy just having some common sense gun regulation.

  • Superfanboi

    Let’s see, just like in all other recent shooting sprees we will NEVER find out what crazy cocktail of psychotropic pills the shooter was taking or withdrawing from, that would be bad PR for big pharma. Let’s blame guns instead. Easy. Absence of gun laws is what made her so nutjob crazy that she killed her kids.

  • Vapor

    Hillary is a globalist schill who defines the term corruption. Thats a fact.. You are repeating the same over exaggerated, Anti trump propaganda that the globalist mainstream media is spewing.. The truth is trump may not be perfect cause nobody is, but he is the only anti globalist candidate left in the race.. All the class warfare you blame on trump has been around for much longer than trump.. Read saul alinskys rules for radicals.. This is the globalist/leftist playbook on how to INDIRECTLY divide and conquer. Dont take my word for it, do the research yourself so you can get informed. Continuing to be a sheep or a puppet that assumes they can trust these fraud politicians, is not going to lift us out if this tyranny we face.

    You can lead a horse to water, but you cant make him drink.

  • arby_63

    No one cares what you’re okay with. Get used to it. I don’t see anyone mentioning that the gun used in this tragedy was given to her by her great-grandfather. That would make it probably an antique.

  • Johnny

    Again, dolt, it’s muzzle. Not mussel. Mussel is a shellfish. Breech, not breach. I didn’t say they weren’t the most used. I said other, multiple shot weapons were already invented. I didn’t say most revolutionaries owned cannon. I said most of the cannon were owned by private citizens. You’re not much for spelling or reading comprehension. The first applies to freedom of religion, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, and to petition the government, certainly not only to opinion. The second does not contain limits as to technology. If it did, it would be listed there. All of those so called rational laws you listed, law abiding citizens already have issues with. That’s why none have passed yet. Maybe you ought to check the compliance rates in states that have passed laws limiting capacity, and registration of semi auto rifles. And to quote Feinstein, “turn them all in, Mr. and Mrs. America.” Not happening. You sir, are delusional.

  • David

    No, prob. Well, that’s the thing, cultures inevitably change over time. A lot of people have been pushing for change, for quite some time, but there is a lot of cultural block, conspiracy theory, and industrial lobbying that resist any attempt at such. It’s cultural battle of moving mountains of stupidity and stubborn uncompromising attitude. I see that Europe is very different, especially with non-lethal weapons. I hear some states even prohibit women from carrying mace pepper spray with them. I am for restrictions on guns, but I feel like non-lethal things like mace are not a public menace, but a public good.

  • David

    oops, thanks for the correction.

  • David

    1. Wrong, mussel loaders were the most used. That’s reality. Jefferson had those in mind as those were the most used and the breach loaders might have been a back thought. Either way. they’re not semi-auto.

    2. Most revolutionaries didn’t own cannons and no one sane thinks that was what was Jefferson’s mind.

    3. Wrong, the 1st amendment pertained to opinion alone, while the 2nd applied to machinery of that era. One was an idea, the other a tool of death.

    End – No, sorry to dampen the wet dream of paranoid gun-nuts, but the regulations and controls don’t involve swat teams jumpin through doors. They involve registering firearms, controlling sale of ammunition, nationalized universal background checks, and licensing for purchase of ammo for registered weapons. All of these rational laws, that law abiding citizens will not have a single issue with. Only those who don’t deserve weapons will be affected.

  • David

    quote him then

  • GOMER Pyle

    I choose to vote for someone who is competent, level headed in a crisis, and actually knows something about politics and government (how it actually works) via actually doing public service and being IN government and dealing with problems, and having a record to vet.

    No, I refuse to vote for anyone (especially for President of the United States, currently at war) who never served in any capacity before, who divides people based on hate, xenophobia, skin color, and plays up the base prejudice of others ––– like Trump has.

    Establishment? You mean those who have experience versus the anti-Establishment; those folks who have no experience, are incredibly naive and clue-less, and uses populism as a shied for their inadequacy… by just agreeing to whatever you want to hear, and changes his mind every day?

    No, I’ve voting happily for Hillary Clinton. And so is my wife and family. (Trump can run for precinct captain, or run for the school board, if he wants. Get some remedial experience in learning how to “work with others”, and not insult people at any disagreement).

    Trump won’t do that though. He’s up for trial soon on his felony-fraud, Trump University scam. I hope he gets experience in prison. Soon.

  • GOMER Pyle

    Ironic how this story burns you so bad, Doc. Ha.

    Notice how this Texas-Republican family… goes berserk… and these Christians take out their Holy Handgun and smite each other down by God’s Will. And here, Doc is upset. Boo-hoo. To him, this lovely family shouldn’t have self-smitten, embarrassing the Holy-NRA and the fascist radical Reich Wing on FOXNEWS-TV.

    Again, Boo-hoo.

    But, go on and blame the Liberals for what this nice, White, Christian-Republican family living in Red-state Texas did to themselves. Yeah, I already know your answer: –––––– “It’s Obama’s fault.”

    Bah-HAHAHAHA!

  • GOMER Pyle

    I guess NRA Chairman Wayne LaPierre will make a statement that the reason why her daughters were so easily murdered was because they weren’t armed. If they only carried AR-15s, and the husband loaded down to bear ––– with sidearms, a rifle, and a Bowie knife.

    Notice also in the story that there’s no mention if the lady was on drugs  –– or a nutcase, or any mention of her criminal background or her family’s poor upbringing.

    How ironic! It’s just a “so shocking tragedy” and we need to come together as a community. HAHAHA!

  • Jsdisme

    Foul

  • Talis

    I think I said that:)

  • Anthony

    He had no choice, she wouldn’t drop the gun and it looked like she was getting ready to pump more bullets into her daughter. In that situation, execute away baby..

  • Talis

    I do worry about it. I do not want cops to EVER murder citizens (no matter what they have done) unless it is a life or death situation.
    Cops should never EVER be executioners.

  • Boo Hoo

    Translation: “Oh well. Too bad so bad. Oh, yeah…the president’s black.”

  • While I don’t agree with his whole statement, he’s right that her mental illness killed those girls. The gun was merely the instrument of choice. I guarantee you if she was out of her mind enough to want to kill her own children, she’d have found a way.

  • JROC

    No doubt about who this terrorist was inspired by. WHITESIS! And no doubt about who this “conservative” would have been voting for this November. Trump! And these whiteys are always blabbering about President Obama, Democrats and Liberals.

  • manzanero delasierra

    She was an all-around nut and her defense of automatic weaponry is kind of a symptom. She was really pretty, kinda sexy in a Cotton Bowl Queen kinda way, but she had a history of mental illness. Thank goodness Texas defends her right to guns. That worked out pretty good, huh, gave her the ability to defend herself.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/texas-mom-killed-2-daughters-153117690.html?nhp=1

    May the fear of their last moments not slow down the souls of her daughters on their now-glorious final journey. May her husband one day, some day find an end to the grief.

  • Vapor

    Ofcourse not.. We need to pick the president of our choice and not the establishments choices. These arent theories my friend.. In reality there is no left and right.. Thats the illusion the mainstream media creates to keep us distracted like sheep. So the truth is its we the ordinary citizens, vs the global elite which control the agendas of both political parties of the united states. Google the “bilderberg group” this is the global cabal of criminals who has been our shadow government for a long time now. They have enslaved us for the sole purpose of this new world order.. Again, i must stress this. This is not a theory. Its fact. Research the bilderberg group so you can see for yourself.

  • AugustineThomas

    And you think it’s an accident that the crime is low there? So in your world, guns not only pull their own triggers, the population density decides the morality of the people.

    I guarantee you that an Orthodox Jewish apartment block in New York City is a much more virtuous place than a trailer park in Alabama full of white trash living Secularist lifestyles. Population density, ethnicity, race, etc.–none of these decide morality. People decide morality by whether or not they follow God.

    This country keeps turning into more of a hellhole, the more people stop going to church.

  • AugustineThomas

    Fun fact: Hitler also said the people don’t need guns.

  • AugustineThomas

    You’re right that I exaggerated. (I fixed my comment.) However, the point remains. Utah has one of the highest rates of gun ownership and one of the lowest rates of gun deaths because its people are less likely to be immoral. (Mormons have a higher rate of church attendance than most other Christian groups.)

    Guns never pull their own triggers.

  • AugustineThomas

    Let me guess: you make your living by bloodsucking taxpayers or the breadwinner in your house does.

  • Jesusismyquarterback

    Based on your theories, shouldn’t we just allow Alaska to pick the President?

  • Jesusismyquarterback

    That many self portraits look like narcissism on some level. Maybe the girls sided with Dad over the “marital difficulties”. My kids chose me and my ex went totally off the deep end.

  • Jsdisme

    Toxic shock syndrome! 😉

  • Wayne_LePew

    Dad gum illegal alien Muslim with Ebola done keelt her daughter. Oh wait…

  • Wayne_LePew

    Maybe she was just on the rag.

  • Wayne_LePew

    If that’s the case, she was merely refreshing the Tree O’ Liberty with the blood of patriots and tyrants. Or perhaps she was merely trying to create a polite society.

  • Wayne_LePew

    But they all love Jay-sus.

  • Wayne_LePew

    Simple meme parroted by a simple-minded right wing lunatic.

  • Mike De Fleuriot

    If you have a gun in your house, then you have the means to kill your family. End of story.

  • disqusplaya

    There’s already reports that the older daughter (the hot one) was dating a Columbian and potentially were fighting over Trump posts on Facebook. when the argument started about immigration and wanting to kick the boyfriend out.

  • disqusplaya

    That Taylor chick was stacked. What a shame and loss for all of us.

  • disqusplaya

    This tragedy could have been avoided if the father and daughters were carrying. This just shows why every citizen needs to be trained how to use a firearm and have a conceal and carry permit. When someone goes crazy who are you going to trust – the police, or your weapon.

  • Rick Elizzo

    Regulated from regulate or control

  • Rick Elizzo

    Inbred republicans have no common sense at all

  • Rick Elizzo

    Repug idiot you are

  • Anthony

    She just murdered both of her children and right in front of neighbors and their father. But you’re right in what you’re saying. Still, I won’t lose any sleep over her death, all I can think of is the horror of what those 2 young girls were thinking as their mom was taking their lives.

  • Frank Lee

    Sorry you are so deeply in love with your surrogate penis that you completely missed my point. The fact is that both drunk driving & motoring deaths are down because of government action & regulation and nobody had their precious precious cars taken from them. The same could be done with guns if people like you had functioning dick and a functioning brain instead of neither.

  • Talis

    Really? I am not glad when the cops take out anyone unless it is life or death.
    Cops are not judges, jurists, or executioners.

  • Talis

    HAHAHAHAHA….
    LOL
    Oh man, thanks for the laugh.
    Bubba you need serious psychiatric help.
    You live in a world of delusion and falsehoods.

  • Talis

    You may be right but that is the only I read till now:)

  • Johnny

    First of all, it’s muzzle-loaded rifles. You must have went to a socialist school. Secondly, muzzleloaders were not the only type of firearm of that era. There was the Cookson repeater, the Girandoni, the Kalthoff, the Belton. You don’t think educated men such as Jefferson knew of them?Also, I’m sure you didn’t know that most of the cannon used by the Americans in the revolution were privately owned. Third, if we want to limit arms to those of the era, then I guess the 1st amendment doesn’t apply to the internet, the television, or the radio. Also, I guess we can return to whipping posts, and public hangings. Keep that in mind for future reference. I shall end with this. The BoR does NOT grant the rights listed. It merely codifies them. Therefore, even if, in some dystopian, socialist Barry/Hillary wetdream future, the second, or for that matter, any of the BoR, were to be repealed or altered, it doesn’t matter. My rights listed still exist. And if you think otherwise, if you feel froggy, I suggest you gear up, take point, and knock on a door. But, we both know that won’t EVER happen. You want someone else to commit violence on your behalf. You don’t have the stones. We’ll just call you “Gersh”.

  • cedar

    I’m not sure. There are so many – just on this one thread!- to choose from. The one by DocSlappy below might be even dumber.

  • cedar

    Yes! This.

  • Johnny

    From the Journal of The Continental Congress: In the passage that follows, do you think the U.S. government was concerned because the Creek Indians’ tribal regulations were superior to those of the Wabash or was it because they represented a better trained and disciplined fighting force?
    That the strength of the Wabash Indians who were principally the object of the resolve of the 21st of July 1787, and the strength of the Creek Indians is very different. That the said Creeks are not only greatly superior in numbers but are more united, better regulated, and headed by a man whose talents appear to have fixed him in their confidence. That from the view of the object your Secretary has been able to take he conceives that the only effectual mode of acting against the said Creeks in case they should persist in their hostilities would be by making an invasion of their country with a powerful body of well regulated troops always ready to combat and able to defeat any combination of force the said Creeks could oppose and to destroy their towns and provisions.

  • Talis

    LOL that is one of the dumbest comments I have ever read.
    Good job.

  • 52trucks

    She seems to have the 1000 yard stare.

  • Brett Allen

    muzzle, we’re no talking clams and oysters here…

  • Christiaan from Europe

    Thank you for that reply. Though I might disagree with cultural practices, I can understand that it’s a part of culture that some would like to keep. But then I don’t see why some restrictions could be imposed. In Europe people are allowed to have weapons, but the rules are strickt: you cant take them with you to the supermarket and you don’t have them lying around the house. To prevent a lot of these deaths regulations would even not have to be as strict as in Europe. But some protection from wrongly used guns would be in place.

  • markfey

    Augustine is clearly wrong in his “facts”.
    Alaska has the highest rate of gun ownership per 100,000 people. And Louisiana is a close second.

    Utah is not even in the top ten states for firearms per 100,000 population according to the ATF’s 2014 numbers.

    Perhaps he is taking numbers from a bad source or only counting handguns…Or some other way of getting totally wrong “facts”.

  • Bajan

    Wow, how did she get a gun?

  • David

    It’s a cultural thing mostly. Also, a lot of testosterone pumped angry people live in the USA, they often like violent devices, like highcaliber guns and oversized vehicles.

  • JGISD

    There is, actually. If you read the writings of the founders, they state repeatedly that the entire Constitution was funneled through, and predicated upon, that single sentence. The Constitution itself states that the law of our land is the sum total of the words of the Constitution, all laws that have passed and adjudicated in the courts, and any treaties passed. The Supreme Court has consistently referred to our Constitutional right to “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness”, when making rulings. That phrase is very much a part of the law of our land.

  • mtent57

    So you admit that cramming a million people together into a tiny space fosters insanity and that allowing people to spread out over a wide area fosters good mental health, then you insult the sane guy because…. you’re crazy. It’s true – liberalism is a mental disease.

  • JGISD

    It’s interesting how many US news sources are reporting this incident as a human tragedy. It wasn’t a tragedy, it was a senseless
    cold-blooded murder committed by your typical US gun nut, while arguing the standard NRA talking point that she needed unfettered unmonitored access to guns to protect herself from the bad guys.

    The NRA will now disavow any connection to this woman, even though she could have been their poster child.

  • mtent57

    He sounds perfectly sane. You blame the gun? The gun didn’t go crazy, the mom did. Sounds like you need a tinfoil hat. Frank. She could have ran them down with a car, or stabbed them, or clubbed them – the weapon doesn’t matter, crazy is what killed them.

  • Christiaan from Europe

    That is an interesting line of arguments. With firearms the main purpose of the thing is to kill another human being. I see no other purpose. If you argue that it is for protection, it can only protect because you can kill with it. Problems with alcohol feature on a continuous scale. In small quantaties alcohol should be harmless. However, guns have a discrete two valued life and death trait. Concerning driving: the main purpose of driving a car is to transport oneselve. There is a risk of accidents, sure, but the purpose of a car is not to kill someone. In this case the absolute numbers of deaths are not a very powerful arguement for or against wide spread posession of firearms.
    I would have no problem with a ban on alcohol, I see it serves little purpose. I would however be concerned with a ban on driving: that would cause great economic loss. The point in this case is not the number of deaths. With the loss of human life there is no threshold below whitch it becomes acceptable. The point here is that you have a choice to prevent needless death and suffering and you do not seize the opportunity.

  • El_Tabadour

    A gun is a bomb waiting to go off. It’s so easy to reach for it in a fit of rage. Ironic how the guns she said was to protect her family ends up killing them.

  • David

    Fun fact, you don’t need guns to get out of ghettos.

  • David

    No, alcohol is rarely used to complete a suicide or commit domestic abuse. Alcohol is a significant cause of mortality and morbidity in society. Ban’s never worked well, but better regulations on alcohol have helped significantly. We don’t need to ban guns, we need to regulate them with far more scrutiny. I’m glad you’re able to see my point.

  • David

    I agree, we do. When it comes to preventable deaths and safety, both guns and driving need better regulations.

  • David

    “Regulated” No, I think it means exactly what you fear. You don’t like that.
    Yeah, read the whole thing. Starts with that phrase to make it apparent that regulations are necessary.
    No, dummy. As a society, we have rules. That applies to militias and arms as well as cars and unions. The fact is, the founders were thinking of muskets, not semi-auto weapons.
    You don’t need semi-auto firearms to live safely and function in daily life. These need far better regulations, and as the constitution shows, it’s completely legal and logical. Get over it.

  • ProfChesterTQ

    I hope you abstain from alcohol and driving (separately) both of which kill more people each year than firearms.

  • ProfChesterTQ

    Pretty sure that someone experienced in Tyranny is better informed on Constitutional matters than the pampered Eloi.

  • ProfChesterTQ

    Indeed, it means what ever level of Arms that a Tyrannical government might use against you. It meant that the PEOPLE should be as well armed as to defend itself from any federal Army.

  • @disqus_61w3BGFpHF:disqus

    Another cowardly liberal who talks smack from behind the safety of his keyboard.

    Congrats tough guy.

  • ProfChesterTQ

    WOW! Thanks for showing your ignorance… “regulated” meant something totally different than what you think it means.

    “well regulated” meant “well organized/prepared”…

    Try reading the whole thing next time…
    “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear Arms, shall NOT be INFRINGED.”

    If “well regulated” meant REGULATORY instead of ORDERLY, then the 2nd Amendment becomes an oxymoron…. and your juvenile attempt at interpretation simplifies the 2nd Amendment to state that “Since bossing people around is needed for freedom, the people shall not be bossed around”

    Only a liberal would think that gibberish to be logical.

  • An anonymous poster who is so cowardly that he can’t even make his already anonymous profile public saying things online that he’d never say to anyone in real life.

    What a joke you are @MyLovelyNose:disqus

  • MyLovelyNose

    I’m surprised he has time to peck out his little squirts while slobbering Luv all over his gunny-gun-gun.

  • MyLovelyNose

    Ooh, look, the gunsucker took his sloppy little mouth off his gun for a moment to cut and paste. Isn’t that precious.

  • MyLovelyNose

    You really don’t care how stupid you look, do you? You actually are under the delusion that you’re prevailing? That’s GUNSUCK-level STUPID.

  • MyLovelyNose

    That too, but Barbie for Men is what gun nuts call it, too.

  • MyLovelyNose

    That’s so funny, because gunsuckers claim that “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness” means any gun, any person, any time whatsoever. “Liberty!” they bawl, holding up their Penile Entity. “Life!” they fart, smacking their muzzy bellies on parade (sorry, Wallace Stevens). “Happiness!” they squirt, as they fuck their guns.

  • MyLovelyNose

    That’s really ALL you’ve got, isn’t it, little Endy Gunsucker? Just little immature spitstains.

  • MyLovelyNose

    And Dead Peter Syndrome.

  • MyLovelyNose

    We’ve made cars safer, required seat belts, safety glass, air bags, and crumple zones; we’ve made highways safer; and we’ve required TRAINING and COMPETENCY TEST and LICENSING that has to be renewed periodically. Until the same is done for guns, just shut the fuck up.

  • MyLovelyNose

    SSh! You’re harshing his Gun Hero fantasy buzz.

  • MyLovelyNose

    Sure he does. He’s probably a flabby hairy old white guy with Dead Peter Syndrome.

  • MyLovelyNose

    Utah is rural, 89 percent white, and has a population about one-quarter the size of New York City. FBI stats on gun-permit registrations indicate that MOST guns are bought by OLD WHITE MEN in RURAL areas with traditionally LOW crime. So just shut up, stupid.

  • ProfChesterTQ

    Sorry that your too thin-skinned to properly understand actual statistics and death counts.

    Alcohol and cars are MUCH more deadly than guns… it’s just that those two things don’t make the big scary BOOM when they injure and maim. Besides, driving a car and getting drunk are every Liberal’s Constitutional Right.

  • ProfChesterTQ

    And he’s much more likely to be hit by a car than being shot. Maybe we need stricter driving licenses for public safety.

  • Graham__1

    Apples and oranges

  • ProfChesterTQ

    “guns are used in most domestic violence homicides as well as suicides”
    More so is alcohol, maybe we should ban that first? Oh wait, we wouldn’t want to ruin everyone’s “fun”.

  • Graham__1

    loss? I think you mean murder…

  • Graham__1

    Because she was a tinfoil hat conspiracy freak (Obama’s coming for my guns!) who seemed like a self-obsessed narcissist with sh*tty impulse control? Good thing she loved her guns more than her girls…

  • Haywood

    Come on people,, its the American way. Especially in texas.
    Any and all disagreements must be settled by gunfire.
    Put this on the back page of the local newspaper and move on to the next killing,, er disagreement.

  • Frank Sanders

    Do you have your tinfoil hat on? You sound sick and need help. God hope you don’t own a gun.

  • disqus_ljrAak3yIm

    Looks like Obama needed to protect her daughters…from her.

  • AT1984

    I hope you realize how ignorant you sound. What are you, a member of her fan club? You sure are white knighting for her. She gunned down two innocent girls- her own DAUGHTERS. I don’t give a shit what she got bit by. No excuse will justify her actions.

  • Vapor

    This is old but interesting.. Put your thinking caps on libs.. Resist your impulse to react to everything emotionally and use your heads to see the truth and youll realize why the 2nd amendment is so important in these trying times.. First you must Stop living in the illusion of the left vs right false paradigm, so you can see things from an independent perspective and wake up to reality if you want your children to have a future.. Msnbc, cnn, fox news are all in for the globalist agenda.. Dont let them deceive you anymore into this division that will only hurt we the ordinary people. Please wake up and see the bigger picture. This isnt about left vs right, its about liberty vs tyranny! Wake up..

    At about the time our original 13 states adopted their new constitution, in the year 1787, Alexander Tyler (a Scottish history professor at The University of Edinborough) had this to say about “The Fall of The Athenian Republic” some 2,000 years prior:

    “A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.”

    “The average age of the worlds greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:

    From Bondage to spiritual faith;
    From spiritual faith to great courage;
    From courage to liberty;
    From liberty to abundance;
    From abundance to complacency;
    From complacency to apathy;
    From apathy to dependence;
    From dependence back into bondage.”

    Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline University School of Law, St. Paul, Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning the most recent Presidential election:

    Population of counties won by:
    Gore = 127 million
    Bush = 143 million

    Square miles of land won by:
    Gore = 580,000
    Bush = 2,2427,000

    States won by:
    Gore = 19
    Bush = 29

    Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by:
    Gore = 13.2
    Bush = 2.1

    Professor Olson adds:

    “In aggregate, the map of the territory Bush won was mostly the land owned by the tax-paying citizens of this great country. Gore’s territory encompassed those citizens living in government-owned tenements and living off government welfare …”

    Olson believes the U.S. is now somewhere between the “apathy” and “complacency” phase of Professor Tyler’s definition of democracy with some 40 percent of the nation’s population already having reached the “governmental dependency” phase.

  • C. A. H.

    They were the best arms available at the time.. They didn’t stipulate bows and arrows did they? or swords, pikes, etc etc etc.. There are a lot of really decent arguments to make but this one is just inane…

  • Anthony

    Not saying I like them or am a fan, I actually can’t stand any of them. Having said that they don’t give a flying fuck what anyone thinks and you can be that way when you are sitting on a fortune. And Christy Sheats is a piece of shit, I am glad some cop did his job and blew her away..

  • DocSlappy .

    The Liberals and Hollywood never DARE talk about how they embraced the Rap Industry, The Hip Hop Culture….how they “programmed” millions of kids, to become little killing machines. You have gun owners wondering “was it done on purpose” or is your moral compass that out of control. Then you have the gall to lecture fellow Americans about reality and “moral direction” the country needs to be on. You embraced with open arms the pop culture, that spread death and destruction clear across the nation. And now you want – US – to disarm first. Your a fruit cake or your somebody’s dog at the end of leash. The Liberal Machine has no bounds of disgrace. Jim Jones wanted to control people’s mind and ended up offering Kool-Aid and his followers were stupid enough to drink it.

  • Keep that profile private troll @MyLovelyNose:disqus

  • AugustineThomas

    Says the rich white liberal who bloodsucks the people and never makes it to the ghetto.

  • Thank You for that insightful comment private-profile troll @Wulgus:disqus!

  • AugustineThomas

    Her own evil decision and inability to control her anger led her to murder her daughters.
    Utah has the highest rate of gun ownership of any state and the lowest rate of gun deaths. People murder people.
    The last thing we should do is surrender our guns so our Nazi baby-murdering government can further enslave us.

  • xdir

    If only those poor girls had guns, they could protect themselves from their killer.

  • uncommonsense2010

    Democrats kill the most people in the US. Blacks, democrat voters, shoot 40,000 of each other per year, with only 85% death rate. Homosexuals are twice as likely than straight couples to engage in domestic violence.

    How is it the NRA is responsible for the majority of democrat gun deaths?

  • uncommonsense2010

    YES! Arms DOES mean, even in 1775 guns that shoot as fast as you pull the trigger. To have the nation armed to defend against invaders you must have weapons of equal nature. This means if your invaders could come into the country with AK-47’s the US population couldn’t defend itself with muskets. In fact ALL people were required to own a gun and if they didn’t have one they were given one. We’ve remained a country and become the worlds Superpower for this reason.

  • uncommonsense2010

    are you anti-abortion or pro choice, Wayne? what about right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness?

  • Frank Lee

    Perfect example! When people recognized drunk driving was a problem we passed tough laws and reduced the numbers, didn’t take away cars. We have made people register their cars and take tests to prove they have at least minimal skills but we didn’t take away cars! In the 60s it became apparent that a lot of the automobile deaths in the US were caused by car design and a lack of safety features so we passed laws to make cars safer and the result is a huge reduction in the number of deaths despite more people driving more miles. We never took away cars.

  • uncommonsense2010

    sounds to me like your mom wanted to murder your father and then shot herself to avoid jail. That’s the nature of a murderer not someone suicidal.

  • Frank Lee

    No, he is a gundementalist ammosexual. That is not mental retardation it is a mental illness that is caused by exposure to NRA and GOA nonsense puked out by talk radio and Fox news in order to elicit support for the GOP.

  • uncommonsense2010

    I’m not sure I’m voting at all. The electoral college can vote how it wants regardless of vote count. As for you being unwilling to consider my point consider this.

    Everything I’m going to say is based on the fact we’re a super power and we do amazing things.

    In 2012 it was made legal by US Congress for the US Government to create narratives cloaked as news stores to affect public opinion.

    Remember Donald Trump’s illegal alien shooter who found a gun on the beach? The gun was owned by an FBI agent.

    Omar Mateen worked for G4S, a company contracted by Department of Homeland Security driving illegal aliens around.

    Now as a hypnotherapist I can tell you that the gun issue triggers whatever propaganda the people are most exposed to. I love propaganda and I would gladly work for the Government brainwashing the people because they don’t deserve anything less.

    So simply put. If a person is Anti-Gun, they’re going to see pretty white girls shot and it’s going to cause a feeling in the gut similar to anti-depressants where Adrenalin is released and they tense up the tummy muscles and feel anger and rage.

    This is because they actually believe the NRA has power over congress or republicans don’t care about human life.

    Republicans actually know democrats kill the most people. 6000 black on black deaths per year, 40,000 black on black shootings with 85% surviving each year, all democratic voters. Homosexuals are twice as likely to engage in domestic violence than straight couples. Democratic voters.

    In fact if democrats / liberals could control liberals we’d cut gun violence by 54% to 60%.

    Cognitive Dissonance means that when a story has an element that doesn’t make sense, if there’s something in the story that makes one WANT to accept the story as true then they overlook, ignore and accept those elements that don’t make any sense in order to be part of the crowd so they can follow their propaganda.

    If you think I’m crazy GOOD. If you think nothing I say is true GOOD. Because as a hypnotherapist and a fan of propaganda and one who studies cognitive dissonance it tells me this is working exactly as it should.

  • Eric Murphy

    ND52 “responsible gun owner” & internet message board stalker. “You have a new account!”

  • Eric Murphy

    Wow!
    Brown shooter=ISIS
    White lady shooter=spider bite

  • Hillary

    I’m actually pretty grateful for that educational lesson @ND52. I just learned a little more about the differences and likenesses between those 2 import at documents. Too bad people don’t want to actually read the constitution. You know, the one that begins with “We, the people of the United States….
    Smh
    I understand both sides of this debate but fact is fact and law is law. You cannot confuse this when trying to make a valid argument. As someone who used to compete (and won) in debate and persuasive speaking let me help you here…if you cannot win by facts or logic then stick solely to emotion and experience. Do not weaken a strong emotional argument with erroneous information. You are only shooting yourself in the foot and lessening your credibility even speak on the topic at hand whatever that may be.

  • Wulgus

    you are retarded

  • Wulgus

    you’re retarded

  • Mike Miller

    ND52, you are a fool……..a document writtgen in 1787 sure needs revised and updated for arms produced in 2016………gun toting idiot.

  • Mike Miller

    Do arms (written in 1775) include guns that shoot as fast as you pull the trigger? I think not.

  • Mike Miller

    Only right wing people (and mentally Ill) shoot their own children…….what a lunatic this mother was.

  • Christiaan from Europe

    Hi all, read through this discussion: I’m amazed. Why do Americans care to hold on to a right (access to guns) if it brings so much grief. Besides: the second amendment was instated in a US without a standing army. That’s why militia are mentioned. It seems to me that this situation has changed. Isn’t it time to amend the amendment accordingly. The protective function of bearing arms was shifted to a powerful militairy force, then you can simply disarm the militia as it has no function anymore.

  • David

    It’s actually Lieutenant Reality Check. Glad you can see why regulations on certain weapons are warranted, necessary, and a good benefit to a rational society.

  • Tony Solorzano

    I thought it was called, “Substitute Penis”

  • Melanie

    The British have a great word for ND52’s mode of arguing: “whataboutism.” I say that a murder-suicide is not protecting your kids and you say “Well, what about stabbing them? Isn’t that failing to protect them, too?” Two girls lost ALL of their rights because of this woman’s homicidal love of firearms. She was able to kill both of her younger, fitter daughters because they could not outrun the bullets. And she had the gall to say that she was protecting them when, in fact, she killed them. Let’s stick to the conversation at hand.

  • 1personofinterest

    Mom was a Member of:the NRA = (No Rationality Available) & Voter for the GOP = (Guns Over People).

  • How ironic that in the end, Christy Sheats’ love and admiration and staunch defense of guns and her belief in the right to bear arms would lead to the tragic loss of her two young daughters, and that of her own life, as her husband and the father of their dead children lies in hospital shaken to the core, trying to make sense of a family tragedy.

    https://scallywagandvagabond.com/2016/06/christy-sheats-gun-lover-taylor-sheats-madison-sheats/

  • MyLovelyNose

    You know what they call the AR-15?

    BARBIE FOR MEN.

  • MyLovelyNose

    Funny, you don’t see “the security of a free STATE” and only read it as an individual’s right to feel like A Serious Customer and pose grimly with his Penile Entity for Facebook photos with yellowed pictures of the Constitution and some eagle pictures thrown in there. And plenty of SC justices have said that there isn’t any right to “any weapon, for any individual, at any time.” See DC v. Heller.

  • MyLovelyNose

    No, YOU quote it and explain it. The reason you don’t is that you probably have no idea what you’re talking about and are just parroting some gun-nut blather.

  • MyLovelyNose

    And kissing them, and nuzzling them tenderly, and sucking them, such that you get a nice grease mustache.

  • MyLovelyNose

    Keep wanking, Endy.

  • MyLovelyNose

    He’s a gunsucker, an ammosexual, what do you expect? It’s LOVE.

  • MyLovelyNose

    Suck harder, Endy! I don’t think your gun is quite convinced you LOVE it enough.

  • MyLovelyNose

    Oh, go suck your gun. Use lots of slobber. Light some candles and incense and strip down to your tighty-whities, put some cologne on, and have a nice LOVE SESSION with your Precious Penile Entity.

  • Janster12

    No, CTOH…He/she is a YUUUGE fucking idiot!

  • Bridget Patton

    Well, mayb it wasn’t because she didn’t want her husband to have custody, ( because the kids were older) but no one really knows, but the ones who argued , and than sadly were shot ( by their mom) the truth will come out. Either way, two young lives were cut very short by their own mom. Sad situation….esp for the dad, and other family members, and friends. I don’t have an opinion telly on guns, I do wish that certain people couldn’t getthere hands on them, but obviously a lot of people do own them to protect themselves and their families ( but when they get upset or really angry ) as it looks like the mother did, this is what can happen , Rip Madison and Taylor

  • Stop pretending that you have even the slightest bit of objectivity.

  • ChilloneG

    Yeah. Killing your kids is way out of character. Talk of it being caused by a spider bite sounds sketchy. Ijs.

  • Katherine Walton

    Please show me a SCOTUS ruling that did not take into consideration writings by the Founding Fathers and subsequent courts outside of the Constitution.

  • Katherine Walton

    Chances are good that if the mother had drawn an edged weapon, neither of those girls would be dead, and, they being younger and stronger, probably would have been able to run away from the threat. And mom might also still be alive.

    But keep on huggin’ those guns.

  • Jsdisme

    Cowering in the house while she chased after and shot his own children outside the home. Disgusting!

  • Jsdisme

    Oh Please!!! I think you mean Post Tramatic Stress Disorder which I don’t believe is what caused this at all. If it were in fact what caused her to snap, all the more reason to ban guns. One never knows when they’ll get bit by a black widow!

  • Katherine Walton

    You’re pathetic, Wayne.

  • IsReal

    What happened was totally out of character, had she lived it would have been a temporary insanity case. She was bitten by a black widow spider in February that likely caused Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome. My question is, where was her husband in the dispute? He should have been able to stop this.

  • IsReal

    She was likely experiencing post traumatic syndrome due to a black widow bite back in February. Based on her posts I’ve read it was totally out of character what she did.

    I just wanted to thank everyone so VERY much for all of your thoughts, prayers, and messages.
    My vitals finally became somewhat stable enough that they released me from the hospital about an hour ago. I’m still in a tremendous amount of pain and suffering from severe edema (swelling) from head to toe, but I am slowly improving.
    Without a doubt, the past 5 days has been the worst, most constant excruciating pain I’ve ever experienced in my whole entire life, not to mention how it affected my vital signs.
    I pray none of you ever gets bitten by a black widow, but If you even think you’ve been bitten, go immediately to the E.R. as fast as you can.
    I truly cannot put into words the seriousness of a black widow’s bite and the horrific affect it has on your entire body.
    Once again, many, many thanks, sweet friends – I truly appreciate your thoughtfulness, prayers, and kindness.

  • Had the mother drawn an edged weapon would you even be on this comment thread @foxtrotdelta:disqus?

  • Foxtrot Delta

    Logic? Two dead girls at the hands of their own mother. Passion and a handgun involved.

  • Such a facile retort @cryptomeria:disqus

    As weak and unauthoritative as one could possibly be sir.

  • ChilloneG

    If eyes are the window to the soul, then look in her eyes to see what you see.

  • cedar

    A legend in your own mind. Rock on, ND52, in your endearing crazy-uncle-get-off-my-lawn-mode.

  • IsReal

    She posted about having some serious pain a few months ago from a Black Widow bite in February. Though there’s no excuse, her mind was likely affected by pain medication or the trauma of the pain she experienced.

    “I just wanted to thank everyone so VERY much for all of your thoughts, prayers, and messages.
    My vitals finally became somewhat stable enough that they released me from the hospital about an hour ago. I’m still in a tremendous amount of pain and suffering from severe edema (swelling) from head to toe, but I am slowly improving.
    Without a doubt, the past 5 days has been the worst, most constant excruciating pain I’ve ever experienced in my whole entire life, not to mention how it affected my vital signs.
    I pray none of you ever gets bitten by a black widow, but If you even think you’ve been bitten, go immediately to the E.R. as fast as you can.
    I truly cannot put into words the seriousness of a black widow’s bite and the horrific affect it has on your entire body.
    Once again, many, many thanks, sweet friends – I truly appreciate your thoughtfulness, prayers, and kindness.”

  • cedar

    Not all people are like you, ND52, with your Tourette’s-like commenting history. When I posted a study pointing out that firearms in the home are far more likely to harm family members you responded with an ad hominem attack. I guess because there are no studies that show people are safer with firearms in their homes so it’s more comfortable for you to attack people. Also who in this thread is attacking the 2nd amendment? No one that I see.

  • You got me @cedar: I just loooooooove beating the intellectual s__t out of trolls like you.

    It’s too easy!

    I argue facts and logic and you post completely useless stuff like articles from psychology today!

  • cedar

    Your theory that I created this disqus account today. You’re the one exhibiting classic troll behavior. You attack and obfuscate and I dare say you are just in it for the fun of trolling.
    https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/your-online-secrets/201409/internet-trolls-are-narcissists-psychopaths-and-sadists

  • And how many more just like it @cryptomeria:disqus?

  • cedar

    Because I didn’t. I’ve had this disqus acct for 2 years.

  • What theory is that @cryptomeria:disqus? I’ll wait while you seek guidance from higher authority on how to proceed with your “argument……..”

  • Why did you create an account simply to comment on this topic then @cryptomeria:disqus?

  • Who are “the people” @cryptomeria:disqus?

  • It’s sad that you see disagreement as insulting @disqus_GLIySmqGsX:disqus

  • Talis

    The reichwing , NRA and ammosexuals all have blood on their hands.

  • cedar

    “A well regulated Militia” Still too difficult for ya? @ND52:disqus

  • Jsdisme

    Are you from Champaign originally?

  • cedar

    Hahahahaha. Says ND52, a classic troll.

  • Jsdisme

    Read her Facebook she talks about her mother being dead. Only pictures of herself. Her youngest has a selfie with her mom and the mom calls Madison a “stinker” for putting up such an unflattering picture of her. A true narcissist!

  • Monica

    You are defending the 2nd amendment as though you are it’s last dying hope against an onslaught of attackers. Take it easy. We are having normal discussions while you are being reflexive and ridiculous. You can’t spot an honest conversation. Guess what? Kim Ramey Wooldridge didn’t attack the 2nd Amendment, she attacked the lack of logic in your comment.

  • Reality check

    What would be the point, you have been reduced to insults so it is apparent you have lost the debate!

  • cedar

    Lol. Sorry history doesn’t support your theory!

  • Reality check

    I think your are 100% correct. Guns are impersonal and allow one to act impulsively and with detachment when angry.

  • Jsdisme

    With all their plastic surgeries, lol. You’d probably have gotten along well with the mommy dearest Christy Sheats! Fakeness. She probably didn’t like her youngest being over weight and her oldest with a Hispanic BF.

  • Have someone who actually understands the english language explain what I’ve said @disqus_GLIySmqGsX:disqus

  • David

    Hey, if you want to have a bolt-action riffle and shot-gun at home, go ahead, just make sure they’re registered to your name and you actually have a license for them. In reality, you’re much more likely to use that gun on yourself than ever to have a gun used to kill you.

  • Well thank you for that stunning observation Captain Obvious @davidhumerly:disqus

  • Reality check

    Better read the Constitution again. Amendment XVI section 1 “No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.” Not the pursuit of happiness part but then again, that is a vague concept anyway!

  • Jsdisme

    The oldest daughter was 22! No custody issue there. The younger one was 17 soon to be an adult too. I don’t think custody played an issue. Just anger and jealousy.

  • David

    In context, I’m absolutely certain the founders had black-powdered mussel loaded riffles in mind, not pistol gripped, folded stock, .223 caliber, semi-auto riffles with 30+ round magazines.

  • David

    Look up what “arms” were back then. I’m A-Ok with militias that are well regulated owning black-powder mussel loaded riffles!

  • You created an account merely to rail against guns in the hands of private citizens troll @kimrameywooldridge:disqus

    Honest statement 2.0

  • Kim Ramey Wooldridge

    You have no logical reply to any comment. Honest statement.

  • Monica

    Thank you very much for your kind words.

  • A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

    Still too difficult for ya @jsdisme:disqus?

  • Jsdisme

    Thank you!

  • Jsdisme

    Actually David stated it just right, you call this lady part of a “WELL REGULATED militia”? Lol. @ND52

  • Discussing the U.S. Constitution is being irresponsible?

    Thanks for the newsflash person who just created an account @luis_ocho:disqus !

  • Monica

    You seem to be changing the subject a bit here. I’m talking about being in a fit of rage, for whatever reason. Guns provide a quick means for death by murder and/or suicide, much more effectively and quickly than knives or sleeping pills. I get the feeling you won’t agree with that, though will you? (sigh)

  • Luis Ocho

    ND52 you are nobody. Its easy to speak irresponsably like you do, behind anonimity. So nothing you say is worth wasting time reading!!

  • Jsdisme

    Thank you for sharing. So sorry your mother had such easy access to kill herself and cause so much harm to your family. Condolences. Please keep telling your story so people might have the heart to change their narrow views on this crazy gun obsession so many people have. Bless you!

  • kengi E

    Let me guess; your’re voting for Trump?

  • StevenSendak

    I’m willing to bet Taylor and Madison would have stood a much better chance of surviving had they been attacked by a kitchen knife.

  • Jsdisme

    Jealous of her own daughters and afraid of getting old. Superficial lady. Her facebook Says it all. She was clearly a narcissist! Another responsible gun owner wipes out family, as Daddy cowers inside. Pathetic! They even brainwashed the daughters to be gun nuts. They never stood a chance. Baptist Republican morals! Sickening!!!

  • kengi E

    no that would be ok; If guns only killed it’s owners then i don’t think people would be too concerned .

  • StevenSendak

    You should probably research fatality rates for suicide attempts made with guns vs those made using other means. One is 85%, while the other is <10%. Care to guess which is which?

  • So you think this woman was mentally ill? Or do you think she may have over/under-dosed on prescription meds @mymonica1:disqus?

  • Monica

    Yes, it’s an honest question. First, you can’t accuse me of railing against the gun industry because I never did that, and I stated that it’s not my intention to be political. It’s just a fact for me that I believe she would still be alive if she did not have such easy access to a gun. It was a fit of rage. Had she taken sleeping pills, she would not have been able to hurt my father. And people don’t usually kill themselves in a fit of rage with sleeping pills. Deep depression, maybe, but rarely a fit of rage or anger towards others that causes impulsive action. jSadly, this mother sounds a lot like my mother was.

  • Johnny

    Look up the meaning of “well regulated” at the time the 2nd was written.

  • “Ok” what @Pavlov824:disqus?

  • Bob Jones

    Ok

  • You stay classy @CTOH:disqus

  • Monica

    Exactly!!!! Hilarious…

  • If she’d swallowed an entire bottle of sleeping pills would you be online railing against the pharmacy that sold them to her @mymonica1:disqus?

    Honest question.

  • Way to take things out of context @davidhumerly:disqus

  • Monica

    My Mom committed suicide with a gun. I do believe she would still be alive if she had not had such easy access to a gun. Oh, and she shot my father too. Could she have done it with a knife? Sure, I guess. But I don’t think she would have. It wouldn’t have been so quick and easy. I’m not being political. Take it for what it’s worth. My mother’s life…

  • Must be nice having grown up in suburbia @davidhumerly:disqus

  • David

    People also forget that the 2nd Amendment starts with “A well regulated militia,” You can’t have a well regulated militia without first having good regulations.

  • Hey look everyone: a troll created an account merely to rail against the 2nd amendment.

    How shocking………@cryptomeria:disqus

  • David

    Wow, who knew kitchen knives were as deadly as guns? I didn’t. Must be a weird and awfully consistent coincidence at how they’re not used in murders and massacres at the same rate.

  • @Pavlov824:disqus I stated basic facts available for everyone to see and study sir.

    What I’ve stated on here is simply not up for debate and would get you many a strange look in poli-sci classrooms around the country.

  • David

    I think you misunderstood. His point is that you don’t need guns to adequately protect yourself and your family. Further, his post also alludes to the fact that guns are used in most domestic violence homicides as well as suicides.

  • Bob Jones

    You can use whatever semantics you want. In the eyes of God Life >> guns.

  • cedar

    Apparently facts don’t matter where ND52 lives.

    Here is a relevant study. There are many more. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9715182
    Firearms kept in the home are far more likely to injure or kill a family member than an intruder.

  • This is the founding document of this country.

    Please show me a SCOTUS decision based entirely off writings found exclusively in the Declaration of Independence @Pavlov824:disqus.

    Though connected in spirit, the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence are separate, distinct documents.

    The Declaration of Independence was written in 1776. It was a list of grievances against the king of England intended to justify separation from British rule.

    The Constitution was written and signed in 1787. It was a charter of government that came to be ratified by the states, and it continues to be the supreme law of the land.

    Both documents have played an important role in American history and the spread of democratic ideals around the world. They were both signed at Independence Hall, steps from where the National Constitution Center now stands.

    http://constitutioncenter.org/learn/educational-resources/constitution-faqs/

  • Bob Jones

    It’s sad how many completely delusional people like this there are.

  • Anthony

    You can’t blame her for doing what she was basically raised to do. The Kardashians are geniuses, say what you want but they are worth around 350 million dollars or so. Most of the rest of us live paycheck to paycheck. Not to mention both Jenner girls are way hotter than their half sisters IMO.

  • Bob Jones

    An eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind.

  • Apparently kitchen knives do not exist where @foxtrotdelta:disqus lives.

    Simple logic.

  • Bob Jones

    You’re right. It’s written in the Declaration of Independence, which states that “Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness” are three “Unalienable Rights” which have been given to all human beings by their Creator, and for which governments are created to protect. This is the founding document of this country.

    In contrast, the 27 “amendments” to the Constitution are limitations that prohibit Congress from obstructing individual rights and freedoms — precisely so individuals can pursue Life, Liberty and Happiness.

    Life >> guns.

  • Eric R. Albright

    Live by the gun, die by the gun.

  • Anthony

    Just totally disgusting that she would shoot her own kids like that. I am glad the cops took her out shortly thereafter..

  • Lol! Because it makes absolutely no sense and is based on nonsense @Pavlov824:disqus

  • Sorry @Pavlov824:disqus but those words are not found anywhere in the U.S. Constitution but rather the Declaration of Independence.

    There is no law on the books—–neither federal or state—–that states that you specifically have a right to “life, liberty and pursuit of happiness”.

  • Bob Jones

    Okay, I’ll bite. Why?

  • Bob Jones

    What about the Constitutional right to “Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness” that this gun-nut mom took from her two daughters? I guess her right to own a gun trumped their right to live?

  • @Pavlov824:disqus That made my head hurt so much I don’t even know where to begin sir.

  • Bob Jones

    Her handguns obviously did a piss-poor job of protecting her family. In contrast to the NRA’s dishonest narrative, the most common circumstances for gun homicides in this country are arguments that escalate beyond control. Homicides during home invasions are extremely rare.

  • chris

    Why cant someone shoot and kill kylie jenner?

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  • Foxtrot Delta

    Dude, really? That is how you are able to twist this in your head?

    The point is, there will always be family disputes. I doubt these two young girls would be dead if mom didn’t have immediate access to a gun. Simple logic.

    Or maybe you are of the belief that the two girls should have been armed as well in case, “momma, come at me”.

    DA!

  • MediumBarda

    Damn, I’m so sorry for your daughter, but grateful she has a mom who stood by her. So many people would try and force a child to continue contact with a grandparent like that because they think being family means you have to put up with that crap, it doesn’t. Way to go on being a good mom!!

  • hidaya

    LoL. I agree!

  • jody

    She looks like the type that tries to be her daughters friend instead of their parent because she doesn’t want to face the fact that she isn’t a teenager herself. I have to wonder if she got into a fight with the dad and the girls took dad’s side. There are women out there that cannot take that kind of rejection, especially if they are not used to being told no and not used to being argued with.

    My own daughter does not have a relationship with her grandmother because of this. MIL is a spoiled woman who never hears no and isn’t used to being challenged, so when my 16 year old daughter argued her point with grandma one day, my MIL started cursing my daughter, pushed her into a corner and demanded my daughter say she was right. When my daughter refused, my MIL would not allow my daughter near her own phone to call for help. Needless to say, the witch no longer has a relationship with her only granddaughter, who wants nothing to do with the spoiled psycho.

  • Bridget Patton

    Wow, I don’t think this has anything to do w gun control , politics, whatever. I do understand that the crazy mom, yes I call her crazy , made a comment about, losing het rights , or on gun control. But she lost her mind and temper, to go shoot her own two beautiful daughters, I.mean go ahead, and shoot yourself, if your so damn angry. I kinda of think she did it, to hurt the dad, if it comes out they were having marital problems, etc… mayb she didn’t want him to get custody, if they were heading toward divorce. Either way, you don’t kill your kids. Yes, my teen and I have gotten in quite a few heated arguments ( teens w attitude and talking back, it happens) but no I.wdnt shoot him!!! ( don’t own a gun, and if I did, wouldn’t do that ). Anyway , again, this isn’t about guns, or a black and wire issue, its a sad tragic thing that happened, pray for the dad and friends and family of the girls . I.don’t have a lot of sympathy for the mom, but she has parents, and family who are suffering also , Rip Madison and Taylor

  • CTOH

    You’re a fucking idiot.

  • uncommonsense2010

    I’m already wondering if this was another false flag, contrived event. It seems strange a woman defending gun control shoots her own beautiful WHITE daughters.

    White children are used in false flag events because democrats love to cry about the pretty faces. However show them the black children being shot by blacks in the inner city, 250 in Chicago on average a year and they just can’t care.

    Wondering why this makes it to CNN, unless it’s part of a gun control story. clearly people shoot people in the inner city and CNN doesn’t cover the:
    6000 blacks killed, that’d be 17 stories per day
    40,000 shootings per year in the black community, that’d be 109 stories per day
    250,000 bullets fired in the black community if each shooting averages 6 rounds.
    That’d be 684 stories per day.

    BUT:
    2 white daughters shot to death
    White mom won’t drop gun, shot to death by cop
    Husband, only one to go away by Ambulance NOT SHOT.

    I’m having my doubts on this one for sure.

  • Wayne Smith

    His point is that he is a lunatic member of the left who sees in every personal tragedy a reason to attack anyone he disagrees with politically, in this case taking a tragedy to limit the civil rights of everyone.

    Hey, I just saw someone driving drunk last night. Let’s ban all cars…and alcohol!

  • And your point behind posting this sir?

  • Bob Jones

    The mother, Christy Byrd Sheats, had recently posted the following on her Facebook page: “It would be horribly tragic if my ability to protect myself or my family were to be taken away, but that’s exactly what Democrats are determined to do by banning semi-automatic handguns.”