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Why did Arcan Cetin Cascade Mall shooter target victims?

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Arcan Cetin pictured via facebook
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Arcan Cetin pictured via facebook

Arcan Cetin Cascade Mall shooter arrested: What led an Oak Harbor individual to target shoppers on a Friday night?

The Washington State Patrol has released a breaking statement on twitter to say the Cascade Mall shooter is in custody. Twitter updates from commentators have identified the individual as Arcan Cetin.

A report via King-TV told of the suspect, a 20 year old man being taken into custody in Oak Harbor, 20 miles south of Burlington. A regard of Arcan Cetin’s facebook page showed the man being a resident of Oak Harbor.

An about description of Cetin reveals the individual having previously worked as a former Bagger at Whidbey Island Commissary.

The man’s facebook wall also told of Arcan Cetin having attended Oak Harbor High School and originally from Adana, Turkey.

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Why? Cascade Mall shooting leaves 5 dead, one injured.

Arcan Cetin’s arrest just before 7 p.m, comes after he walked into the Burlington shopping mall in Washington State and soon after launched an assault inside a Macy’s store at the makeup counter.

Initial surveillance footage showed the suspect entering the building, Friday evening without a weapon but walking into Macy’s about 10 minutes later carrying a ‘hunting-style’ a rifle, police said.

Authorities did not say how the suspect may have obtained the weapon — whether he retrieved it from outside or picked it up in the mall.

During the shooting rampage that followed, four men and a woman were shot dead told Lt. Chris Cammock of the Mount Vernon Police Department. The suspect then left on foot, out of range of cameras.

The four female victims died at the scene and the male victim died later at a hospital.

A report via King5 Saturday evening indicated police not believing there was a previous connection between Arcan Cetin and the five victims.

Arcan Cetin
Arcan Cetin via facebook.
Arcan Cetin
Arcan Cetin via facebook

Pursuant to the shooting, Washington State Patrol spokesman Sgt. Mark Francis said authorities believe that there was only one shooter but that his motive was not immediately known. It was also unclear whether the victims were specifically targeted.

Reiterated Mount Vernon police Lt. Chris Cammock, ‘I don’t know what his motivations were. I don’t know what his motivations were to do this. I don’t know what his motivations were to continue. I don’t know what his motivations were to stop.’

In possible clues as to what may have motivated the Cascade Mall shooter, KING 5 News reported that Cetin stole three legally purchased guns from his father and went to the Macy’s at Cascade Mall where his ex-girlfriend once worked with the weapons. 

The ex-girlfriend quit several months ago and was not at the mall at the time of the shooting.

There have also been unconfirmed reports that Cetin had shouted a woman’s name multiple times just moments before opening fire, according to FOX-Q13.

In the moments after the shooting, Skagit County authorities in Burlington, about 65 miles north of Seattle, used 11 search teams and two K-9 units to clear the 434,000-square-foot mall, going shop by shop, warning the situation remained volatile.

‘We are still actively looking for the shooter,’ Francis said at a news conference. ‘Stay indoors, stay secure.’

Authorities distributed blurry photos of the suspect online and appealed to the public for help in identifying him. 

Worth mentioning and perhaps intimating to what degree the shooter may have been influenced is Arcan Cetin’s Tumblr account, which seems to show him having a morbid obsession with serial killers.

A regard of the shooter’s reported Youtube account is mostly about Call of Duty, a video game; his “likes” on Youtube include gun videos, gaming videos, and a bong cleaning video.

To date it isn’t clear how the Cascade Mall shooter came to be arrested and to what degree appeals to the public may have led to the man’s arrest. KOMO News reported Cetin having no police record or history of crime in the state of Washington.

No known motives are presently known, that said, the FBI said terrorism is not suspected, sentiments many on twitter debated in the minutes after the suspect’s nationality was revealed.

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  • suetonius7

    Oh, an expert on “looking” Hispanic, whatever that means, But maybe not so much an expert to be about 6,000 miles off.

  • potenz walker

    You’ve responded exactly true to type. You’re acting like a b*g*t and a phobe who uses attacks on others to shut down any semblance of free speech. But, now that you are exposed as the phobe you are, your comments have no further validity or value on this forum. Like a de-fanged viper you will continue to snap away at other right thinking people. But you will be ignored. You see, you’ve been parading around in your fancy clothes only for everybody to see that you are actually n*ked.

  • Anon

    Jihad is the price of diversity–or at least, unfettered diversity. Before we had all this diversity (i.e. Muslim population), we had no Jihad.

    The problem isn’t the appearance, the problem is the ideology.

    However, today, a person with Middle Eastern appearance who is shooting up a mall should be described as a person with Middle Eastern appearance, because it can be a clue to finding the person.

  • arslonga vitabrevis

    Doesn’t matter what he is. My family is always mistaken for everything under the sun, anything but what it is.

    America is a melting pot.

    We are foolish for our focus on ethnicity, it only makes for our stupidity and error. America has to get over our “other” issues.

    Diversity will soon be a moot point, as soon enough we will all be a little of everything.

    We are such fools.

  • arslonga vitabrevis

    Our own violence against each other is more prevalent and more of a problem, but we are always pointing fingers at someone else so we don’t have to look at ourselves.

    It is not a pretty sight.

  • arslonga vitabrevis

    You know how the hyper masculine sociopath’s roll, they are in constant denial of the truth, they can’t handle it, always have to make it something else. They are fragile, really.

  • arslonga vitabrevis

    And why are you afraid of the reality of the intimate partner violence issue, so obviously a factor here. You don’t want to talk about that at all. Propaganda to minimize truth and reality.

  • arslonga vitabrevis

    I would say he played too many video games. This isn’t anything to do with Islam. Intimate Partner violence crosses all boundaries.

  • Anon

    On the contrary, efficacy is meaningful.

    An abortion terrorist is unlikely to want to inflict mass casualties, and even destroy entire cities. Because of his belief system, he is more likely to want to kill a few people involved with abortion and get attention for his cause.

    A Jihad terrorist, on the other hand, has an ideology that celebrates death. Google “We love death as much as you love life”.

    It is no accident that the 9/11 hijackers were Jihadists, and not abortion terrorists.

  • DJ9r

    A “Postal” competition refers to a match where the targets (or just the scores) are mailed (through the US Postal Service) to a central location to be compiled. I believe Postal Matches can also be run where the results are emailed to the central location; in that case, the name is simply a holdover from earlier times.

  • Asdf

    “Apparently” and “did” are not equivalent. I asked for sources citing investigators, not further social media supposition. I can just as easily suppose that he did not have jihadist affiliations, because one of his Facebook statuses said (directly quoting), “OSAMA IS DEAD! AMERICA FUCK YEA!”

    But, yes, if these posts are from him, they certainly do paint some interesting perspectives of his personality. Let us not forget that deranged lone wolf madmen have latched onto higher profile causes before, though, in order to elevate their sense of importance. This is why supposing his motivation without any insight into the facts is flawed we simply have cursory insight.

    I appreciate the link regarding terorrism deaths. And, while interesting, they present a metric that shifts the goalposts from what I was addressing. That is the number of attacks, not the number of deaths. As unfortunate as they are, death counts are not a correlative toward the likelihood of death from an attack from one ideology over another.

    I was talking about frequency, not efficacy.

  • Anon

    He also looks Middle Eastern. Yet the police did not describe him as “Hispanic or Middle Eastern”. They only said “Hispanic”.

  • Anon

    Look, if you want to deny reality, be my guest. If you haven’t been living in a cave for the past 15 years (or if you aren’t willfully blind) you would spot this pattern just by being alive.

    BTW isn’t it a coincidence that Arcan Cetin apparently admired the leader of ISIS, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.

    http://heavy.com/news/2016/09/arcan-cetin-hillary-clinton-liberal-conservative-democrat-trump-muslim-islam-turkey-isis-hispanic-cascade-mall-shooter-gunman-shooting-twitter-facebook/

  • Anon
  • Anon

    Isn’t it surprising that Arcan Cetin apparently admired the leader of ISIS, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi? Wow, this just comes out of nowhere. Who would have guessed?

    http://heavy.com/news/2016/09/arcan-cetin-hillary-clinton-liberal-conservative-democrat-trump-muslim-islam-turkey-isis-hispanic-cascade-mall-shooter-gunman-shooting-twitter-facebook/

  • Anon

    Wow, then it was really out of the blue that Arcan Cetin apparently admired the leader of ISIS, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. We are all so surprised by this.

    http://heavy.com/news/2016/09/arcan-cetin-hillary-clinton-liberal-conservative-democrat-trump-muslim-islam-turkey-isis-hispanic-cascade-mall-shooter-gunman-shooting-twitter-facebook/

  • Anon

    It is pointless to focus on the weapon. It is the desire to kill large numbers of people that is relevant here.

    Otherwise we could have Jihad shooters, Jihad bombers, Jihad airplane hijackers, Jihad knifers all in separate categories. If they try poison next, then we could have a new category of Jihad poisoners. Then maybe Jihad biological weaponists. Jihad arsonists.

    Makes more sense to put all the Jihadists into one category.

  • Minime1213

    Dude posted Merry Christmas on his FB. 18 years since Google was created. It’s a little old to be that ignorant of the subject you’re discussing.

  • Minime1213

    Give citation on that “consistently pattern.”

  • Anon

    Proselytizing is probably what was meant by the use of that word in the report.

    Arcan Cetin apparently admired the leader of ISIS, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.

    http://heavy.com/news/2016/09/arcan-cetin-hillary-clinton-liberal-conservative-democrat-trump-muslim-islam-turkey-isis-hispanic-cascade-mall-shooter-gunman-shooting-twitter-facebook/

  • Minime1213

    Again, he looks hispanic, so it isn’the surprising at all. Does something this simple need to be examined to you?

  • Anon

    Arcan Cetin apparently admired the leader of ISIS, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.

    http://heavy.com/news/2016/09/arcan-cetin-hillary-clinton-liberal-conservative-democrat-trump-muslim-islam-turkey-isis-hispanic-cascade-mall-shooter-gunman-shooting-twitter-facebook/

    BTW this site looks at terrorism and finds that more people have died from Jihad terror than right-wing and left-wing terror combined:
    http://www.newamerica.org/in-depth/terrorism-in-america/what-threat-united-states-today/

    And this is a group that is doing their best to downplay the threat of Jihad terror. They are measuring starting September 12, 2001. Obviously, if they had started one day sooner, the numbers of deaths from Jihad terrorists would be many times higher. But even by cherry-picking their dates, Jihad terror still accounts for more terrorism deaths than non-Muslim terror. AND since Muslims are less than 1% of the population, proportionally they should be responsible for less than 1% of the terrorism deaths.

  • Minime1213

    WTF is an Evangelical Muslim?

  • Minime1213

    Shootings? Disagree.

  • Minime1213

    Someone is rather defensive.

    I don’t feel the need to hold your hand and politely explain that jumping to the immediate conclusion of terrorism because the guy was born in Turkey is a product of Islamophobia, nor do you deserve that respect.

  • Minime1213

    No, it is backed up by facts. My inclination is to counter those of you who have zero argument and are being bigoted.

  • Anon

    Arcan Cetin apparently admired the leader of ISIS, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.

    http://heavy.com/news/2016/09/arcan-cetin-hillary-clinton-liberal-conservative-democrat-trump-muslim-islam-turkey-isis-hispanic-cascade-mall-shooter-gunman-shooting-twitter-facebook/

    You stop. Or go to your safe place where there are trigger warnings.

  • Minime1213

    Not making up a damn thing. What do you want citation on?

  • Minime1213

    Again, NOTHING points to that. Nothing. There is more to declaring terrorism than oh, he’s from Turkey.

    Stop. Now.

  • Asdf

    Again you continue to assume I’m a liberal, just as you assume X, Y and Z. I have no sensitivities or offense to using the inane metaphor you chose, I simply said it does not fit. And it does not. You can continue trying to label and categorize my intent, but you are categorically wrong.

    It is not ridiculous to filter things down to the level of mass shootings, since this is the action that has been taken. And you assumed what timeframe I chose, because I specifically did not mention it: I was referring to the 1960’s Belltower shooting.

    But let’s take your reductionist example: it still falls apart. The percentages still don’t match up. What percentage of all the attacks you labeled, when lumped together and choosing the US, are Jihadist motivated?

    And I have yet to criticize any such notions — I’ve been consistently calling out yours and other’s knee-jerk reactions to gaps in facts. Your prejudiced suppositions, whether true or not, are just that until they’re confirmed by evidence. And at this point you’re simply being obtuse to anything contradictory to those suppositions.

    Also, if it has been indeed been reported in an official capacity that he was a practicing Muslim and had jihadist sympathies, then feel free to cite your sources. After all, these are the assertions you’ve been making since his name and ethnicity were released. If the FBI and other official sources have evidence of such things and made this statement publicly, then great. We have a primary theory as to his motivation and evidence to back it up.

    Until that time, you’re doing exactly as I’ve described in countless posts already. And, each time you post you’re further proving my point.

  • Anon

    I could care less about your sensitivities regarding metaphors. Food is a neutral subject matter (unlike, for example, turds).

    There can be good food and good people, and bad food and bad people. So it’s a good fit.

    I believe this new liberal sensitivity about food metaphors is simply an attempt to shut down metaphors altogether, because use of metaphor is very effective in showing how poor liberal arguments are.

    It’s yet another category for trigger warnings and safe spaces. Now liberal snowflakes can be victimized by food metaphors and cower in fear of them.

    However, here’s another metaphor for you:

    If a certain location has extremely cold weather 95% of the time, and only has mild weather 5% of the time, would you go there without a parka?

    You wouldn’t want to simply assume the weather will be cold, just because it usually is. So you’d probably leave your parka at home.

    ————-
    Now, if you want to offer relevant probabilities here are a couple things you can do:
    1. Use a relevant timeframe. Although there were a few Jihad attacks last century, Islamic Jihad is primarily a 21st Century phenomenon in our country (although of course it has a 1400 year history in the world).
    2. Use the appropriate category: mass killings and attempted killings. A person who wants to do a mass attack has a choice of weapons. It is ridiculous to consider shootings, knife attacks, bomb attacks, airplane attacks, arson attacks, et al as separate categories. If there’s a mass poison attempt, is this yet another category? Biological weapons is another? No, they are all just different means to the same end.

    BTW earlier you criticized the notion that the shooter was probably Muslim, just because most people from Turkey are Muslim. However, it has now been reported that Arcan Cetin has made evangelical Muslim posts.

  • Asdf

    No, I do comprehend simple matters. But thank you for perpetuating the character attacks.

    I simply prefer to keep metaphor relevant. Comparing people to restaurants is beyond the pale and is too absurd to consider for more than a moment.

    You’re still jumping to conclusions about his association and are still trying to talk yourself around the inherent prejudice that such a logical leap stems from.

    And, no, I don’t agree with that statement, because it is based on flawed data. In years past — since the first modern mass shooting — how many times has religion been polled and how often has terorrism been considered? It’s a modern phenomenon. And it’s still a logical fallacy.

    To demonstrate, I’ll repeat a similar logical fallacy based on stronger stasitical probability. Mind you, I already posted this:

    Based on prior experience, how many mass shooters in the US had a Jihadist motive? Therefore, the probability that it is a Jihadist mass shooting is low. This is why your argument is weak: it cuts both ways.

    Your attempts at obfuscating the obvious leaps in logic are meaningless. As with this shooter, you’ve proven a willingness to jump to conclusions about me and other posters as well.

    So I restate, this time directed at you: what a simple and reductionist worldview you have. If only reality were so simple, eh?

  • Anon

    Jihad behavior includes mass killings and attempted mass killings.
    You stop.

  • Anon

    If you look at mass killings and attempted mass killings, which is the current topic, significantly greater than 1%.

  • Anon

    Isn’t it funny though that they described him as Hispanic and he turned out to be Turkish.

  • Anon

    It’s 15 years after 9/11. It’s a little late for your type of naivety.

  • Anon

    I’d explain it to you, but it appears you have no capability for understanding simple concepts re. probability.

    However, maybe I’m wrong. Do you agree with this statement:

    Based on past experience, when a Muslim in the US commits mass murder or attempted mass murder, there is a high probability of a Jihad motive.

  • Anon

    You don’t have to make up new bs wherever you go either.

  • Anon

    Your arguments are poor, thus your inclination to tell those who disagree with you to shut up.

  • Anon

    Do you agree or disagree that for our Muslim population, those who engage in mass killings or attempted mass killings have a high probability of a Jihad motive?

  • Anon

    If you think people are cannibals because they are making a point about probability using a food metaphor, then I would say this is evidence you do not understand probabilities.

    Using food metaphors is common, yet being a cannibal is extremely uncommon in our society. Thus there is a vanishingly small probability of someone who uses a food metaphor being a cannibal.

    However, here’s another metaphor for you. Let’s say a particular location has extremely cold weather 95% of the time, and mild weather 5% of the time. Yet you travel there without bringing your parka, because you do not assume there is likely to be cold weather.

    This would qualify you to be a liberal Islam expert.

  • potenz walker

    At least Asdf realises, and tries consciously (though unsuccessfully) to avoid besmirching other commenters. At least Asdf has some argument they are following. Your views on the other hand are outright offensive and b*g*ted. As per the definition of b*g*ted, you are unable and / or unwilling to comprehend the perspective of others. And you are unwilling to provide any respect for the underlying rationales ( many of them quite valid) of other commenters. Jumping straight to outright calls of Islamophobe is evidence of a vicious streak of intolerance that contrasts strongly with your complaints of intolerance by others. Two wrongs do not make a right.

  • minime13

    You’ve now posted this twice, and it’s still bullshit. That article gives a host of connections, including his own wishing people a “Merry Christmas,” along with countless other things.

    You’re stretching the f out of your own connection with ISIS. Stop.

  • minime13

    Out of that whole article, that’s what you got. I mean, seriously. The whole article that references football, confederate flags, republicans, democrats, Russia, guns, black ops, military, ROTC, posting Merry Christmas, Communism, his twitter page that follows Pro-Trump pages – and what you pick out is that and then jump to your own claim that there is a link to ISIS.

    Dude.

    Stop.

  • 20WilliamHolder10

    Not sure how radicalized he is but I’m sure he found support for his actions within Islam.

    http://heavy.com/news/2016/09/arcan-cetin-hillary-clinton-liberal-conservative-democrat-trump-muslim-islam-turkey-isis-hispanic-cascade-mall-shooter-gunman-shooting-twitter-facebook/

    Calls Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi his “main dude”.

  • 20WilliamHolder10
  • anonymous

    I don’t have sufficient info to form a real opinion at this point. Very little about him has been confirmed. We do not know exactly what words he yelled, or if he was radicalized or if he likes jelly with peanut butter.
    We have photo evidence that he is probably the person who had a gun in the mall, that he has pictures of himself with guns, may have marksmanship training, has twitter posts on his account that he may or may not have authored. An alleged ex girlfriend that we don’t really know the extent of the relationship, and of course the very real victims …
    And that we are shocked and horrified at what is truly sick behavior that was exhibited by the shooter whether or not it was him. Until facts can be established the rest is all of us making conjecture.

  • minime13

    You’re right. I do. Apologies. FWIW, my initial post was supporting your conclusion, generally.

    If his ex had been a boy, it would be a crime of passion – the same as if his ex had been a girl.

    More people are killed by crimes of passion than terrorism.

    Due to this country’s homophobia, crime of passion statistics in the gay community are kind of skewed. But, overall, crimes of passion happen more often in this country than terrorism, regardless of race or religion.

  • minime13

    How many mass killings by Muslims in the U.S. have had a Jihadist motive? Give a basis.

  • minime13

    Let’s stop comparing people to food. If you keep doing that,I’m going to assume you’re a cannibal. And cannibalism makes you a pretty terrible person.

  • minime13

    The probability of murder committed on women in this country is not because of Islam ideology.

    But, you are pushing the lower probability aspect.

  • anonymous

    You have me confused with another poster. I only mentioned statistics once (numbers of heterosexuals in US population vs. homosexuals) No “entire time”. Please reread.
    As far your point, Consider this –What if his ex had been a boy? And he screamed out his name? It would look to the objective mind that the violence was initiated against members of the same sex as his former love. Please stop trying to hijack my posts into your agenda.

  • minime13

    It is ignorant and prejudiced, and laced in Islamophobia, to assume that every crime committed by someone from a country that has a population of Muslims is terrorism.

    There is absolutely zero percentage of this crime that points to Islam. Zero.

    But Islam and terrorism are the main topics.

    That’s Islamophobia.

  • minime13

    Jumping to the conclusions made on this whole comments secions about Islam is pretty Islamophobic.

  • Asdf

    What I believe is irrelevant.

    I’m not calling anyone an “Islamophobe” as that is a loaded term that has connotations of hatred and bigtory toward Muslims. Instead, I’m exclusively calling out the prejudice that has been demonstrated by the commenters I’ve interacted with.

    I’m making no value proposition here. All these commenters could be the most intelligent people in the world; logic does not equate to intelligence, and prejudice/ignorance does not equate to stupidity. That’s irrelevant — neither their self-worth nor intelligence is being called out.

    I’m merely stating the case that it’s an unfortunately simplified and narrowly-defined worldview. The world is far more complex than mass shooting = muslim = terrorist. We should be seeking all the facts, not reducing the criminal to a single perspective. To do so is to remain ignorant to causes that may be prevalent elsewhere in society.

  • minime13

    You’ve been pointing at statistics the entire time you’ve posted here. 1/3 of all female homicides are from ex partners.

    He went to his ex’s former workplace and screamed out her name.

    What’s 2+2?

  • anonymous

    Maybe your right… but I’d say also that maybe the reason he shot up women is because the person he felt he had lost was a woman. If he had felt he lost a man, maybe he’d have shot men. And since the majority of jilted lovers by statistics are heterosexual, (percentage of overall population) then in it would stand to reason that the most of the victims of this kind of thing would be women.
    So you’ve replaced the islamicist agenda with the violence against women agenda. Maybe he’s just a confused angry kid with too many guns around… but that wouldn’t support anyone’s agenda.

  • potenz walker

    You may believe you are totally innocently calling out prejudice and ignorance. This in fact demonstrates your unconscious bias against those who hold views contrary to yours. You are willing to judge these others as being prejudiced and ignorant, effectively announcing that your thought processes are clearer, more logical, smarter – not prejudiced or ignorant. In other words, your way of thinking is correct and all those disagreeing with you are wrong – and worse than wrong they are ignorant and prejudiced. And as you know another word for someone who is prejudiced when it comes to talking about things Islamic is ‘islamophobe’.

  • minime13

    This isn’t a terrorist attack.

  • minime13

    You don’t have to keep cutting and pasting the same bs.

  • minime13

    Is he Islamic?

  • minime13

    That was in the context of voting for a woman being represented on currency. The day before that tweet he tweeted this: #TheNew10 Hillary Clinton, Hitler’s wife, Eve, yo mama,

    So, it had zero to do with the election.

  • Asdf

    I’m sorry, but this metaphor makes no sense.

  • minime13

    One of the last accounts on twitter he followed was fuck feelings. This is an unrequited love issue gone terribly bad.

  • Anon

    So, let’s say you’ve gone to restaurant A 12 times, and 11 times the food has been terrible, and only once has the food been good.

    Meanwhile, you’ve been to restaurant B 12 times, and 11 times the food has been good, and only once has it been terrible.

    So, would you go back to restaurant A, since it would be a mistake to assume the food will be bad there next time? Just because 11 out of 12 times it’s been bad, that’s no reason to avoid the restaurant, is it?

    If you would go back to restaurant A, congratulations! You qualify to be a liberal Islam expert.

  • Asdf

    In what way does his request for me to prove “Moslems mass killings” haven’t had a jihadist motive responding to that perceived subtext?

    And, further, I never alluded to that nor did I say that. What I said is what I meant — that what JCC and what others who have been espousing similar ideas is a reductionist worldview. Which, if spelled out, means:

    “A reduction of this mass shooter to being a Muslim, thereby making this a terrorist attack because Muslims inherently mean terrorism.”

    That’s not calling anyone an Islamophobe, nor is it alluding to bigotry. It *is*, however, alluding to and directly naming prejudice and perhaps ignorance.

  • minime13

    No more of a connection than any other religion.

  • minime13

    Or he looked hispanic. Looks hispanic to me and I’m from Texas.I can think of probably half a dozen friends who have a similar disposition.

  • minime13

    He looks hispanic at a glance.

    And no, there is no Islamic propaganda on his social media pages.

    That’s a straight up lie, dude, because his pages are still up. It’s not even distinguishable if he is even Muslim.

  • minime13

    I think that it’s easy to do so. Where is the evidence pointing to his recent commitment to any religion in an extreme fashion?

    And the answer to your other question – out of all crime in this country, not even 1%.

  • potenz walker

    But it does respond to the subtext in your trail of comments – that everyone disagreeing with your viewpoint is an Islamophobe.

  • minime13

    Dude. Point out any evidence of Muslim allegiance. Point out any evidence of a terrorist attack where an extremist did not represent his (bc it is a he 9/10 times) ideology.

  • minime13

    There is nothing that points to muslim or Jihad behavior here. Stop.

  • minime13

    He’s not radicalized muslim, nor does he even say anything about the religion on his twitter. Look at his recent follows on twitter – one of the most recent was “fuck feelings,” and his ex worked at the store he shot up. This sounds like specific revenge against a woman (most victims were women) and more of a mental issue/aggression against women.

  • Asdf

    I’m not trying to convince anyone, I’m trying to call out the knee-jerk reactionary judgments. Let’s hope probability rules in our favor regarding you going to sleep, lest you disprove your own assumptions that he was a Muslim. It would be nice, as you’ve continued to willfully ignore the statements I’ve made.

    Of course probability exists, but you’re losing sight of context. I was referring to your use of statistical “facts” to support assumptions that then drive your arguments as being a fallacious argument.

    It’s a type of logical fallacy.

  • anonymous

    Not arguing either way, but I don’t think he would be in the budda pic if he was radicalized at that time. Muslims generally don’t do things against their beliefs terrorists or not.

  • Ariell Kaulitz

    Allegedly Arcan Cetin yelled his ex GF name before he started shooting

  • Asdf

    Except that the facts have yet to be established.

  • Greg Hamilton

    prejudice: to pre judge, as in what any rational person does when presented with the same facts over and over

  • Greg Hamilton

    lol

    like a muslim would never lie or false represent themselves…

  • Anon

    “whether it’s an appeal to probability”….
    So you think that there is no such thing as probability?

    I do not expect you to change your mind in the slightest. I think there is a very low probability of that.

    However, I also think there is a very low probability that you are convincing anyone. Meanwhile, I have a high probability of going to sleep soon.

  • anonymous

    Perhaps, but to gain entry into the event, I believe he had to be Junior ROTC. Thereby Pledging allegiance to the United States. He’s hugging a Budda and smiling on his facebook page, which is an Islamic no-no.. Unless he makes a statement to the contrary, it would appear this might be more severely misguided teen.

  • Anon

    Don’t worry, his Turkish friends can place his vote for him and no one will figure it out until it is too late.

  • Anon

    We know for a fact that the San Bernadino Jihadists’ neighbors did not report suspicious activity because they did not want to be seen as bigots.

    Everyone knows by now that casting suspicion upon Muslims will get you labeled a bigot. Everyone knows this but you, anyway.

  • Asdf

    You’re telling me, then, that the risk that these eyewitnesses would face would be the authorities calling them a deplorable Islamophobe while taking eyewitness descriptions of the shooter?

    This is becoming an absurd and sordid tale.

  • Anon

    You have your head in the sand. Which is fine. Luckily, though, more and more Americans are pulling their heads out of the sand.

    You can deny reality only so long before reality wins.

    Feel free to pretend like there’s no particular connection between Islam and terrorism all you want to. It won’t change a thing.

  • Anon

    Do you have literacy problems?

    The risk is clear from jondaly’s comment. “… everyone knows that if you call someone a “moslem” you are quite likely to be pilloried as a deplorable Islamaphobe.”

    Thus calling a shooter an “Arab” runs a risk to the speaker of being so pilloried.

  • Asdf

    That has exactly zero relevance to what I said.

  • Asdf

    I certainly won’t argue against the conspiracy theories that seem to be rattling around in that entertaining mind of yours, but these conclusions you’re drawing aren’t based on sound judgment. They’re, in fact, based on prejudice.

  • Ed

    Will he be out of jail in time to vote for Hillary?

  • jondaly

    How many mass killings committed by Moslems in the United States have NOT had a jihadist motive?

    Please give us the date and places of all these “workplace” violence incidents.

  • Anon

    “Americanized” does not rule out a Jihad motive, however. A study done in Europe found that Islamic terrorists were more integrated into European society, on average, than the general Muslim population.

  • Asdf

    A risk from whom?

  • Asdf

    Oh, wait, I’ve seen this form of argument before. It’s fallacious, that’s right! So, then, what part of “I’m not ruling it out” don’t you comprehend? And what part of “I’ll leave those determinations to the investigators” do you not comprehend?

    But thank you for proving my point so definitively. Your arguments boil down to fallacies, whether it’s an appeal to probability, or it’s begging the question. And while they’re entertaining, they’re not exactly persuasive in the slightest.

  • jondaly

    People are ALWAYS cautious when talking about a Islam. everyone knows that if you call someone a “moslem” you are quite likely to be pilloried as a deplorable Islamaphobe.”

    Calling a shooter an “arab” is taking a much bigger risk than calling him “hispanic.”

  • Anon

    It’s just something of an incredible coincidence, then, that there’s a consistent theme of killers initially not being identified as Muslim and then turning out to be Muslim. (In this case, Turkish, which probably means Muslim.)

  • Anon

    Because he is from Turkey, the odds are he is a Muslim. According to Pew, 98.6% of Turkish citizens were Muslim in 2010.
    http://www.pewforum.org/2011/01/27/table-muslim-population-by-country/

    If he is a Muslim, paired with the fact he is a mass murderer, the odds are he is a Jihad terrorist. So far, approximately 100% of mass killings and attempted mass killings by Muslims in the US have turned out to have strong evidence of a Jihad motive.

    It is possible that this incident beats the odds. Not so likely, though.

    If you deny that a Jihad motive is the most likely (though presently unconfirmed) explanation, then I think that YOU are the one “using faulty logic and incomplete information to jump to conclusions that fit their own narrative.”

  • Asdf

    None of what you cited makes the presumption understandable in the slightest. But let’s go with it for the sake of argument. Why is understandable? Because of his Turkish nationality? Where is it even confirmed that he’s a practicing Muslim, anyway?

    I mean, he even celebrated the death of Osama bin Laden on Facebook, right? All I see are a lot of people using faulty logic and incomplete information to jump to conclusions that fit their own narrative.

    EDIT: Also, I find it amusing that you think anyone is ruling anything out by calling these sentiments into question. I’m not ruling it out at all, but I am most certainly calling into the question the knee-jerk conclusions that people like the OP espouse.

  • Anon

    Actually, I think the presumption is understandable, given the fact that repeatedly we’ve had Muslim killers who turned out to have either connections with Jihadists and/or they’ve made statements or writings indicating a Jihad mindset.

    Considering Muslims make up less than 1% of the population and yet their terrorism record is way over 1%, it is natural to suspect that the motive is likely to be Islamic terror.

    So, while it’s useful to remind people that we don’t know the motive yet, I think it is foolish to pretend that a non-terrorism motive is just as likely as it would be if the killer were non-Muslim.

  • Asdf

    How many times indeed.

  • Asdf

    I’m not ruling out anything. I’ll leave those determinations to the investigators.

    However, the presumption that it must be related to Islamist perspective is interesting. To date, how many mass shootings in the US have been conducted by Islamists? Why is that the presumption some, such as JCC, are making?

    Perhaps ponder who is ruling things out and who is not. I would hope you come to the conclusion that is it not I. 😛

  • Asdf

    Who knows what they were thinking.

    But I find it interesting to consider that you apparently believe that, upon witnessing people being shot, their first and primary anxieties would be “I don’t want to be Islamophobic, so I’ll just be Hispanophobic”?

    I would think their primary anxieties would be processing the fear and terror they just witnessed.

  • Anon

    Maybe. Or maybe his girlfriend was named “Allahuakhbar”.

    Just kidding.

  • Anon

    I suspect these eyewitnesses are reluctant to say “Middle Eastern looking” because then they would be accused of being Islamophobic.

  • Anon

    Although we don’t yet know the motive for certain, we certainly cannot rule out Jihad.

    And we’ve been through this before, where the authorities were reluctant to call it Jihad and finally evidence was overwhelming that it was.

  • Anon

    It is true that SO FAR, there isn’t evidence pointing directly toward a Jihad motive, other than the shooter coming from Turkey.

    However, we certainly cannot rule it out. How many times have we been through this and it ended up a Jihad attack.

  • anonymous

    This kid may be a marksman. An Arcan Cetin from Oak Harbor WA competed and placed in a Junior ROTC shooting competition a couple of years ago.

    Single results for 2012 – 2013 Navy JROTC Postal Competition Event: Individual Postal Results, Area 13 Ind Sporter Results Competitor: Arcan Cetin

    Stage Prone Standing Kneeling

    Reentry

    Shots 9 8 8

    9 9
    Junior ROTC sounds pretty Americanized. I believe in this case, the “Postal” may mean military post.

  • Asdf

    What a simple and reductionist worldview you have. If only reality were so simple, eh?

  • JCC

    yeah….good question…what can it be?……puzzling….what about being islamic?

  • Asdf

    His Facebook profile looks like a normal profile — there’s no discernible Islamic propaganda present. You’re making shit up to fit a narrative of your choosing.

    Somewhat ironic since you claim the media did the same when it was simply relaying eyewitness descriptions of the shooter as being “Hispanic”.

  • In possible clues as to what may have motivated the Cascade Mall shooter, reports told of Cetin stealing three legally purchased guns from his father and going to the Macy’s at Cascade Mall where his ex-girlfriend once worked with the weapons.

    The ex-girlfriend quit several months ago and was not at the mall at the time of the shooting.

    There have also been unconfirmed reports that Cetin had shouted a woman’s name multiple times just moments before opening fire.

    Upshot: Unrequited love mass shooting ? Did he come looking for his ex?

  • LStoll

    He is not Hispanic as the media told us. He is Turkish and a Muslim. His Facebook page and other social media are still up and they have Islamic propaganda on them