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Loreal Tsingine video: I did what I had to do

Loreal Tsingine
Loreal Tsingine
Pictured, Loreal Tsingine.

Loreal Tsingine video death shooting: Did Maricopa County Attorney’s Office make the right decision in determining a police officer was justified?

Arizona police have released body camera footage (see below) of the shooting death of Navajo woman Loreal Tsingine, 27.

The release of the video comes after the cop who shot her, Winslow Officer Austin Shipley was placed on paid administrative leave after shooting the woman dead.

The release of the video comes days after Maricopa County Attorney’s Office said that the cop was justified after Loreal Tsingine refused to put down medical scissors while moving towards the police officer.

The shooting resulted after the officer responded to a possible incident of shoplifting on March 27 when he fatally shot Tsingine on a sidewalk.

In the 30-second, body-cam video, Shipley is seen trying to restrain Tsingine, and she falls to the ground. Tsingine gets up, and the video shows her walking quickly back toward Shipley with the medical scissors in her left hand, pointed down.

Tsingine seems to yell at Shipley as he raises his gun and opens fire.

The Arizona Department of Public Safety concluded that Tsingine refused Shipley’s order to get on the ground and drop the scissors.

After the shooting, Officer Shipley was asked if he is doing OK, and he said ‘I did what I had to do.’

Loreal Tsingine

Loreal Tsingine
Shortly before the shooting, Officer Shipley attempts to cuff Tsingine (left) but she either falls or is thrown to the ground, where pills, including an anti-psychotic drug, spill out of her purse.

Loreal Tsingine’s shooting death comes off the back of the woman having a long arrest record, including an incident last year when she was accused of trying to grab an officer’s gun.

The woman’s relatives have filed a $10.5 million wrongful-death claim against Winslow, claiming Shipley violated Tsingine’s civil rights and that the city was negligent in ‘hiring, training, retaining, controlling and supervising’ the officer.

The claim is a precursor to a lawsuit and seeks $2 million for Tsingine’s husband and $8.5 million for her 8-year-old daughter.

Told the family’s attorney, Robert Pastor:Our position remains that even though (Shipley) may not be held criminally liable, it was careless for the city of Winslow to give him a gun and a badge.’

Protesters in Phoenix demonstrated Monday against the decision not to file charges against the officer, with another protest in Winslow is set for Friday.

‘We demand U.S. Attorney General Loretta Lynch to conduct a federal investigation into the wrong and shameful acts of Officer Shipley,’ council speaker LoRenzo Bates said after charges were not filed. ‘The Navajo Nation will not rest until the federal government investigates.’

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Winslow Officer Austin Shipley

Of question is if the Officer’s Winslow’s life was in immediate danger, had used more force than necessary, whether he had in part acted to aggravate the woman to react the way she did and whether the shooting was predicated on Loreal Tsingine being on native Indian descent?

And then there were these reactions on the web below that made me wonder, see what you think?

What happened to using tazers or a baton? He couldn’t use less than lethal means to stop a WOMAN with scissors?

A person would have to be suicidal to approach a police officer while yelling at him and with a weapon in their hand. Where is the common sense. You just don’t do that.

Haha, the family thinks they deserve millions. I think not.

Making an assumption that all native Americans are bad?

People, drop the weapons! What do you expect!

Loreal Tsingine

Loreal Tsingine
Loreal Tsingine pictured with her daughter, Tiffany.
  • noillusion

    Antipsychotic medication fell out of her pocket or purse when the officer pushed her down. Someone who is sane does not behave as she was; that’s why it’s obvious. By the way, I was in the US Army MP Corps for 8 years, so stop yapping at me about policing.

  • Gary Davis

    so if you resist it gives the cops right to shoot you?

  • elgeezr

    Would that be your first thought Luke? Your survival? Stay out of the cop business.

  • elgeezr

    Luke, this cop DOES NOT have a clean record.

  • elgeezr

    I wouldn’t have, but then I’m a combat veteran and not so easily frightened. Besides this cop has his own record of ‘incidents’.

  • elgeezr

    I am a big supporter of the cops. And I agree, that technically, he had a right to shoot her. But, I question, as I keep having to do, the ‘bravery’ of today’s police officers. They seem very quick to pull that gun and then use it. How did he explain the need to shoot with the chubster in uniform coming up behind her? If I was chief, I’d discipline him for sure.

  • linked1

    A little background on ‘Officer Shipley’:
    The Winslow police officer once fired a Taser at a 15-year-old girl as she walked away from him.
    He once Tased a drunk cuffed to a hospital bed.
    He dragged a DUI suspect out of her car by her hair.
    He justified his conduct in one instance in a report that an investigator found “simply inaccurate.”

  • linked1

    Fuck you Luke, you’re the one who deserves to be shot.

  • linked1

    How about the next time you lose your cool, or your behaviour is unpredictable you get shot?

  • Hu_Flung_Pu

    Bait them and you get nailed. Period. What did she think he was going to do? Dumb ass.

  • Luke Glendening

    ok in general, yes I do think some cops don’t get punished. and that is sick I will agree with you there… but in this case, this shooting, I don’t think he was wrong or should be punished. it sucks, that was someones mom. but I don’t think he did wrong in this call. but I do agree that some cops slip thro which suck, but I don’t think its as many as the Media wants us to believe

  • Lerkero

    I think the majority of cops are not trigger happy, but it disappoints and concerns me when cops are not held accountable for their mistakes.

    Just recently we learned that prosecutors failed to prosecute four out of six officers that allowed a suspect to die while he was in their custody. A man’s spine was severed and none of the cops involved were responsible for the death. None of the other cops spoke up about the obvious neglect of suspects and prisoners.

    I don’t want to give the impression that suspects are always innocent in these situations, but I would like to see some accountability on all sides.

  • Luke Glendening

    well I disagree about restraining the woman, as I said before its not easy, one of the firefighters I worked with was an MMA champ and with him with us it was still hard to restrain someone, (they were being a hazard to us and themselves and so we used soft hand cuffs to the gurney) but I do agree he could have pulled out a less lethal before hand yes. but I also understand that in the heat of the moment, and someone is charging you with a weapon, that you reach for the first thing that will stop them. could he of used a less lethal yes, but I don’t think he was in the wrong to not.

  • Lerkero

    Again, I’m not chastising the officer for defending himself. I am chastising him for the way he did it. He wasn’t able to subdue a woman half his size which puts into doubt his ability to protect himself or others. He then reached for lethal force when a less lethal tool to incapacitate the woman should have been available. Also, during this whole encounter his partner backed away more often than he stepped in to deescalate the conflict.

    Also, also…fat cops.

  • Luke Glendening

    I agree, sops shouldn’t be able to shoot who ever they want, but think about it, for there being hundreds thousands of cops, running dozens of calls a day each, there are going to be calls where lethal force needs to be used. And they do investigations, if the cop is in the wrong they do go to jail, cops aren’t above the law, its just the lie we tell ourselves because we don’t like authority. in this case it was justified and so he isn’t going to be punished. other cases it wasn’t warranted and the cop goes to jail. There are so many cops going on so many calls and making the streets safer for us, but no everyone wants to focus on the few times lethal force is used. and in many cases, used in the proper situation. he tried to arrest her and she was resisting, and so she charged him with a weapon. he tells her to stop and she doesn’t. in this case the cop isn’t in the wrong. and I know several Cops, they don’t have the mind set to kill nor are they trigger happy. and they are helping every day. but I do believe that we each have our own side and opinion on this, and I respect your opinion, we can both agree that Cops should not be able to kill whoever they want, I just think that this was one situation where it was warranted. and I also believe that the majority of Cops aren’t trigger happy, and that the media takes the shootings and turns them into a race issue or a trigger happy cop, in some rare cases that is true and the cop is taken away. thank you for taking the time to discuss this with me. I know we both don’t see eye to eye but thank you for keeping it civil.

  • Luke Glendening

    She has a history of attacking cops, she even took a gun off a police man before, she has a history for violence and criminal activity… an yet this cop has a clean record and never a history for being violent. and yet we want to condem the Cop for defending himself and not realize that she has had several arrests for being violent and even grabbing a deadly weapon. its so backwards! she is the criminal and because he defended himself from a criminal he is a horrible person? you, me, anyone else would do the same, protect ourselves from a violent criminal even if it meant lethal force

  • Lerkero

    I am not mad at the cop for defending himself. I am mad at the cop for the WAY he defended himself. Many police think that lethal force is justified at the slightest bit of noncompliance to their orders. Cops should not be able to shoot whoever and whenever they want without being held accountable to a standard in the interest of justice and public safety that benefits all citizens.

    Cops are not supposed to be there just to take people to jail. Cops are also in a position to HELP, but it often seems like they prefer not to.

  • Luke Glendening

    considering we are just getting them help, where as the Cops are taking them to jail, they have more reason to fight the cops. plus she was armed, she had scissors. I think its funny how everyone is so upset for the cop for defending himself from someone coming at him with a weapon after they broken the law, rather then condem this anti authority generaltional mindset. the Cops are there to help and they do. and she was stealing and he tried to arrest her until she came after him with a weapon. If someone came after me with scissors and I said “stop or ill shoot” and they didn’t stop, it means they had every intention to kill me. and I want my daughter to grow up with a father and I’m sure he wants the same for his family too. he didn’t just draw his gun and shoot, he pulled it and backed away and she kept coming towards him. She is the one in the wrong, she is the one who was going to hurt if not kill him! but everyone is mad at him for defending himself! when she was the one who had intent to hurt him and he not, he just wanted to defend himself

  • Lerkero

    Did the firefighters have to shoot dead the unarmed people they were trying to subdue? Seems relevant here.

  • Luke Glendening

    ok being in the EMS world, there has been several times where 4 big firefighters couldnt hold down a small woman, and when they are on drugs too? people dont understand that its not that easy to take someone down no matter their size. so i understand why he couldnt subdue her.

  • Lerkero

    Even if the officer doesn’t have a racial bias, his performance was poor because he couldn’t subdue a person half his size without resorting to lethal force. It’s like they are trained to not even try.

  • Lerkero

    It’s insulting to me, and likely other citizens, that the officer
    couldn’t subdue a person who was probably half his size. His overweight
    partner didn’t even seem to budge to deescalate the situation.

  • Luke Glendening

    I worked on an ambulance for a while and we have similar computers that cops do, if the person is identified, on the computer it will pull up the criminal history and weather or not they are violent. and if they are it will even flash red for your protection so you know what your getting into. and in the moment it is terrifying when someone is approaching you with a weapon, I’m sure 9 times out of 10 everyone else would have done the same.

  • Luke Glendening

    am I the only one on the side of the COPS, he tried to restrain her, and she approached him in a threatening manor with a weapon, if someone did this to me on the streets I would have done the same.

  • I don’t think responding officers were aware of this woman’s prior history. So whether it was obvious she had mental illness, was a habitual offender doesn’t seem likely.

    Having said that I do wonder if the aura of shoot first ask questions mentality of our nation’s police force played some part in this woman dying. It does seem to happen far too often in the US.

    Also i wonder to what degree if this officer’s racial bias may have informed his decision to shoot to kill and not injure. We are at the end of the day dealing with medical scissors, not a meat cleaver, an axe or a sword, never mind a gun. Some common sense and acting as a trained professional with respect to such unstable situations may have seen a far different result ….

  • Dot Severenson

    How is it “obvious” that she had mental illness? The only thing obvious is she had a loooong criminal record and absolutely no respect for police. She disobeyed officer’s clear orders because she thought she didn’t have to, and the officer’s not going to wait for you to get too close when you have a record of struggling with an officer for their gun, a long record, and a weapon in your hand. She wasn’t listening and wouldn’t have been “talked down”, and calling other officers would’ve taken a long time, meanwhile this criminal would’ve stabbed the officer. She got what she deserved. How about we stop coddling criminals and stop screaming police brutality when they have to deal with the dregs of society threatening them?

  • guy

    I’m not the biggest fan of the euphemistically named “non-lethal” class of weapons, but isn’t this what tasers and chemical weap- *ahem* “Pepper Spray” are for?

    How did it escalate from arrest to gunfire in thirty seconds?

    And unless the cop knew about her criminal record at the time of the arrest, I don’t see how hindsight has bearing on the question of whether the shooting was justified, or whether police training is in need of reform or not.

    Why is it so hard to keep the main thing the main thing?

  • noillusion

    Obviously, the woman had mental illness; that does NOT warrant being shot to death. What is wrong with trying to talk her down? Calling for extra officers to help? Nope, they go right for the gun. It seems a whole lot of the police are not mature enough to have access to a firearm; just like the majority of the public who have them.