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Daniel Fitzpatrick suicide. Does Holy Angels have blood on its hands?

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Pictured, Daniel Fitzpatrick. Images via facebook.

Daniel Fitzpatrick suicide. Does a Staten Island school, Holy Angels Catholic Academy bear culpability for a student taking their own life?

Daniel Fitzpatrick a 13 year old Staten Island school boy has died after hanging himself at his family’s attic. A suicide which the youth blamed on his school failing to put an end to bullying he had been relentlessly subjected to.

The Holy Angels Catholic Academy student’s death comes after the teen documented in a suicide note how he felt he had exhausted all options of intervention, with the teen accusing the Bay Ridge, Brooklyn school of purposefully turning a blind eye to his suffering.

‘I gave up,’  the teen scrawled on two sides of a single sheet of paper.

‘The teachers . . . they didn’t do anything.’

In his suicide note, which he first took pen to paper on June 30th, a full 5 weeks prior to hanging himself, but never mailed, Daniel Fitzpatrick documented being badgered over his weight, grades and his innocent heart, and how he’d pleaded to his school for help, but to no avail.

News of Daniel Fitzpatrick’s death came after one of his elder sisters found her younger brother’s body circa 5.30 pm Thursday.

Danny Fitzpatrick school admin thought he was the problem

Daniel Fitzpatrick suicide

In a bid to bring awareness to their son’s plight, Daniel’s family decided sharing on facebook their son’s agonizing note, where they now hope to hold the school accountable for their son’s death.

Wrote the youth: ‘At first it was good. Lots of friends, good grades and a great life, but I moved and went back and it was different,’

‘My old friends changed, they didn’t talk to me, they didn’t even like me.’

The 13-year-old then wrote about a fight he had with a student and former friend, which led to the other pupil being punished. His former friend blamed him for getting in trouble, which in turn worsened the bullying.

Wrote the youth: ‘They continued, I gave up, the teachers either they didn’t do anything! Not get them in trouble even though they did trouble, I got in trouble instead because [the student] was mad at me because he believed I failed him.

‘I told all the teachers nothing except one… she was the nicest teacher ever she understood and did something but it didn’t last long.

‘I wanted to get out, I begged and I pleaded. Eventually I did, I failed but I didn’t care. I was out that’s all I wanted.’ 

Daniel Fitzpatrick suicide

Daniel wrote his letter on June 30, as he wanted to make sure others knew of what the youth construed to be the mistreatment at the hands of the school.

‘Mom I want them to know what they did to me and how I feel,’  the youth’s mother, Maureen Fitzpatrick recalled her son telling her. ‘I want them to hear my story.’

At the time, Daniel was set to start fall session at another school, Brooklyn’s Xaverian High School according to the New York Daily News.

Of note, the letter was written after the school recommended Daniel repeat seventh grade — at another school.

In their recommendation, Holy Angels according to Daniel’s father, suggested that it wouldn’t  be a ‘good environment’ for Daniel to be a grade behind, that it might ‘damage his psyche.’

A claim which hints at Holy Angels being somewhat cognizant of what went on at school or at least what Daniel Fitzpatrick was being exposed to.

Daniel Fitzpatrick suicide

Told the mother via the nydailynews: ‘Danny said that he was afraid of his teachers. He felt like the whole school knew what was going on and was laughing behind his back. They humiliated him,’ 

‘My son shouldn’t have to die to be heard. There’s something wrong with the adults in authority positions when kids can’t go to them for help.

‘No parent is supposed to bury their child.’

His parents also insist that one of Daniel’s teachers called their son ‘lazy’ in front of other students. 

His sister, Kristen, said the teacher in question often made a deliberate effort to embarrass pupils – and would even publicly display low test scores to shame those who did not perform as well as others. 

Underscoring the seriousness of the family’s claims are allegations that the Fitzpatrick family along with their son had brought their concerns directly to school administrators in the past only to receive no support, save for the suggestion to change schools.

Daniel Fitzpatrick suicide
Pictured, Rosemary McGoldrick. Image via social media.

Repeated efforts to have Holy Angels Catholic Academy’s principal, Rosemary McGoldrick, respond to Daniel Fitzpatrick’s suicide to date merited no response.

The Brooklyn/Queens Diocese said it is ‘reexamining’ its policies around bullying in the wake of Daniel’s death.

Offered a spokesperson: ‘The principal, teachers, and staff of Holy Angels Catholic Academy are heartbroken over the loss of Danny Fitzpatrick,’

‘We take the issue of bullying very seriously and address every incident that is brought to our attention.’

Reflected the dead teen’s mother over the weekend: ‘The school tried to sweep the problem under the rug to preserve their image.’

Adding: ‘My son is not supposed to be dead,’

‘My son is supposed to be playing football. My son is supposed to be home with his family.’ 

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  • gespin3549

    Bugger Off asshole.

  • DinoBeliver

    Bill Maher is a jerk off.

  • DinoBeliver

    If it’s a predominantly Irish Catholic School, probably the Italian kids.

  • Ma Hester

    So, Patrick O’Malley aka 617-PATRICK (real identity of “neil allen”) —- did Susan Blake grab a millstone too? She “don’t care” as a Catholic, right? Did Margaret Hester O’Malley grab a millstone too? She “don’t care” as a Catholic, right?

  • Ma Hester

    Patrick O’Malley aka 617-PATRICK (real identity of “neil allen”) —- did Susan Blake grab a millstone too? She “don’t care” as a Catholic, right? Did Margaret Hester O’Malley grab a millstone too? She “don’t care” as a Catholic, right?

  • neil allen

    The Catholic Church worships the god of Pedophilia and child abuse.

    Jesus said in Matt 18:6-14 that letting that happen was unforgivable, so all of the teachers, employees and students that were involved or did nothing will go to hell according to Jesus, but of course, Catholics don’t care.

    Catholics are best known for running the country’s largest organized child rape crime syndicate, and hiding every pedophile priest, so their treatment of this child is no surprise.

  • neil allen

    Amen.

    She was just being a Catholic, brutally defying Jesus in Matt 18:6-14 where He said that letting a child be abused was unforgivable, so all of the teachers, employees and students that were involved or did nothing will go to hell according to Jesus, but of course, Catholics don’t care.

    Catholics are best known for running the country’s largest organized child rape crime syndicate, and hiding every pedophile priest, so their treatment of this child is no surprise.

  • neil allen

    You are such a liar. Cash poor?

    Your Catholic Cardinal Dolan lives in a $30 Million dollar mansion.

    Cash poor – you lying frauds.

  • neil allen

    Amen.

    The Catholic Pedophile Church normally rapes children & hides the pedophiles, like they did with an army of 271 known, protected pedo priests in Boston.

    What would satan do? Exactly what the misfits, freaks and child rapists in the Catholic church do.

  • neil allen

    Yes, and Jesus is.

    The Catholic Pedophile Church normally rapes children & hides the pedophiles, like they did with an army of 271 known, protected pedo priests in Boston.

    Jesus said in Matt 18:6-14 that letting that happen was unforgivable, so all of the teachers, employees and students that were involved or did nothing will go to hell according to Jesus, but of course, Catholics don’t care.

    Catholics are best known for running the country’s largest organized child rape crime syndicate, and hiding every pedophile priest, so their treatment of this child is no surprise.

    You defend them.

    Consider yourself judged, and grab a millstone.

  • neil allen

    No surprise from the Catholic Pedophile Church.

    Jesus said in Matt 18:6-14 that letting that happen was unforgivable, so all of the teachers, employees and students that were involved or did nothing will go to hell according to Jesus, but of course, Catholics don’t care.

    Catholics are best known for running the country’s largest organized child rape crime syndicate, and hiding every pedophile priest, so their treatment of this child is no surprise.

  • neil allen

    This particular Catholic Pedophile Church let students verbally abuse and bully a 13 year old boy named Daniel Fitzpatrick until he decided to commit suicide.

    Jesus said in Matt 18:6-14 that letting that happen was unforgivable, so all of the teachers, employees and students that were involved or did nothing will go to hell according to Jesus, but of course, Catholics don’t care.

    Catholics are best known for running the country’s largest organized child rape crime syndicate, and hiding every pedophile priest, so their treatment of this child is no surprise.

  • Nora22

    The school could have helped, not made it worse. It took you two days to decide how to think about this? I’m blocking you…

  • Nora22

    His biggest trouble was attending a school purportedly Christian but actually heartless, cruel and insensitive with bullies as teachers and students.

  • GetAGripFolks

    Thought you would find this interesting.. Read the new Washington Post article on this story… https://www.washingtonpost.com

  • GetAGripFolks

    He was a troubled 12/13 year old boy.

  • GetAGripFolks

    Nora – why are you attacking me? Because I am being objective? This hatred towards my thoughts tells me you were as much as a mean girl in school as the boys that picked on this boy. Stop picking on me and pick up the new Washington Post. There isnews that the mother was an abusive alcoholic and that the sister used to hide Daniel from her when she was drunk. Pick on someone else: https://www.washingtonpost.com

  • Beth

    Something doesn’t add up. I read that the school had sent social services to the family’s home earlier in the year because of concerns. Also, the boy only wrote the letter after he needed to repeat the grade level and the school said that they didn’t think he should come back. It wasn’t a suicide note and he died many weeks after he wrote it. In fact he was going to be starting a new school so there wouldn’t be the fear of having to start a new school year with the same kids.
    I am not saying it’s not a horrible school, maybe it is. However, there may be other factors or circumstances that should be investigated.

  • KatyCourt

    wow. you are a sickening disturbed evil thing. Why would you even dare to suggest I was projecting here about my nephew like that. What drives you to be such an evil bully? I feel sick to my stomach that you would dare to suggest such a thing.

    For anyone else who read this POS’s comment, my nephew thank God is in good hands, with parents and family who have educated themselves on Aspergers, and have availed themselves of all they help and tutoring they can get. If someone knows Liz POS get her help. If she’s in touch with kids, report her. She shouldn’t have contact with vulnerable people, there’s something very disturbed and extraordinarily vicious and angry about her.

  • KatyCourt

    Calling you on your bullshit. You have bullied and name called here on this site, you have insulted and derided people who have a different opinion than your own. YOU are a bully. Which is your reason for being a nasty little bully??

    Why do people engage in cyberbullying?
    When it comes to cyberbullying, they are often motivated by anger, revenge or frustration. Sometimes they do it for entertainment or because they are bored and have too much time on their hands and too many tech toys available to them. Many do it for laughs or to get a reaction.

  • liz4horses

    I think you are a bully, and related to the school. And saying what I think is not within the realm of your knowledge…………….I have run bully abatement programs in such lovely places as S. Central Los Angeles, and Oakland when the gang deaths were higher than the war deaths on those days…………..and calling me names will not make you right or wrong. This child is DEAD.

  • liz4horses

    There is something wrong with you. I work mostly with gangs, and have worked in two of the school districts that were so gang infested they were more deadly than war zones………..and a bully is a bully…….whether a white shirt wearing kid and his four buddies attacking a kid until he commits suicide, or street kids who kill another kid because he is on the wrong block……….they are sick and they support each other……………and yes GetAGrip you are so right, these two women are acting like bully people themselves.

  • liz4horses

    Do you know how to just reply to anyone? You are attacking and nasty. Whether some people need mental health care of not, victims of bullies should not be the ones sent to the therapist……………..

  • liz4horses

    Now there is a telling statement. He was a boy……so he must fight? I have Dad, brothers, inlaws, nephews, and although most of them are either or both military /law enforcement, including two of my sisters, THEY do not fight, in fact none of them has ever shot a single shot in their career…………..

  • liz4horses

    They broke his finger, his soul……and his heart…….

  • liz4horses

    There is a story last night in the news about a rich white student who is getting probation for raping another student. In the past year women across California and the nation petitioned for the JUDGE to be thrown off the bench, maybe reviewed by the Bar and his license revoked due to his giving a rich Standford student six months in jail, and NO prison time for drugging and raping a young woman and leaving her behind a dumpster…..His daddy dearest said he was no longer a happy go lucky person and his life was being ruined for twenty minutes of “mistake”……really, does daddy dearest suggest we let all the prisoners out…..most of them had less than three minutes of mistake in drive bys, including killing cops, and robberies in which innocent persons were killed……………………these bullies will not get away with it, sooner or later they are going to run into a gang member, or a big guy with a bat, or a woman with a gun who is sick of being pushed around……….or just a judge who has the back bone to say……….go to prison.

  • liz4horses

    Thank you.

  • liz4horses

    I agree with you, this woman has said something evil about every comment I made and as far as I know, I am one of the nations leading bully abatement experts……..and this school did just about EVERYTHING they could do wrong……….good programs put the kids together and let them resolve the issues……..WITH a good bully abatement consultant………not a therapist for the victim……………we need to empower young people to stand up to bullies, and we need to empower bullies and those who stand up with them because they are afraid of being the next victim …………to live better lives.

  • liz4horses

    One day I was driving down the freeway, I saw a school bus in front of me, and then saw that several BIG students were bullying a small student, they made sure the bus driver did not see. I know I have long years of developing what the kids call the “snake eye” both my Mom and Grandmother were teachers and had it………….they saw me, and knew, even on the freeway, that I saw them and stopped. I followed that bus and stepped on it and asked the bus driver to call the police………..when they got there I told them EXACTLY what I had seen and who those students were. Not one of them dared to say they had NOT done what I said they did. Another day I was driving down a street and saw some older boys bullying and beating up a smaller boy on a playground, I parked my car, and walked up a twelve food chain link fence (I had gone to police administration for women classes and learned how to do that ) and dropped down in that yard and walked the whole group to the office…………….the receptionist told me they were just playing. I said, YOU are not going to be playing when I file a formal complaint against this school for not having an adult out there, and YOUR refusing to get the Principal and dealing with it……….the CHIEF of police had told me to do that. I was driving past another school, a VERY prestigious and expensive one, and saw some kids bullying a child behind the bushes, they were so stupid they did not realize that behind the bushes was just a chain link fence, and the cars passing could see them all. One of them did notice I was staring, and they ran away…….I turned around, drove into the parking lot and went to the office and asked to see the Principal. The receptionist there also tried to tell me they were just playing………..I told her, find the Principal, or I will call the police and testify for the parents when you are sued. WE pay a lot of money for our children to be TAUGHT and PROTECTED by people who claim they can teach and protect our children…………not lazy receptionists who do not have the training or the concern to raise good citizens.

  • liz4horses

    For the school to TELL anyone that they implemented counseling for Daniel is a breach of privacy. The appropriate counseling was for the BULLIES and the victim……….and allow THEM to resolve their issues…………..sure it takes more training, and more time than sending the victim to a counselor and helping the victim feel WORSE about himself…………and make sure the victim is not asked back…….but the bullies get to come back so they can find a new victim…………..NO educator has a clean and respectable career………..somewhere along the line, we all make mistakes, or like any parent, do not do what needs to make every situation perfect……BUT when research has give us proven resolution to these programs, we need to stop using the same old send the victim to counseling and get rid of the victim rather than get the students to RESOLVE the issues. Einstein is credited with saying doing the same thing, over and over, expecting a different result is insane……………yet schools and adults continue to say kids bully, and blame the victim. If you make it a solid practice to have the bully, and his cohorts (a bully can not work without cohorts, because a bully is always a coward) and the victim sit down and resolve the issues, they stop. AND if you have one bully and ten or twenty or more complainants you know who your bully is………and you have to deal with the cohorts as well, they are the ones who end up in prison saying, and this is a real statement we hear all the time in our work, “but Joe said to do it”…………..Really, old JOE is not here in court and going to prison………….

  • liz4horses

    You are so right about the haters posting on line, but I disagree with you about the school. There are well researched, and well taught programs out there about how to handle BULLIES as well as their victims. It was NOT the right treatment to send the VICTIM to counseling…………..we are a nation that sends the VICTIM to counseling and labels THEM rather than resolving the problems. Over decades of working with juveniles and their families, I have seen thousands of BULLIES stop being bullies, and victims learning to be empowered. One tiny step is to remind children that if someone calls us a refrigerator, we will not grow flapping doors and light that go on and off as our doors open, so how come we let others tell us we are fat, skinny, ugly, geeky, stupid, dumb, or any other thing bullies make up. PHYSICAL injury to others is a CRIME and we have to stop saying kids bully, learn to deal……………one day a bully will find someone who will NOT deal, except with a bat or a gun, and they might as well get over it before that unfortunate day happens. I have a friend who is at this current time period going back and forth from California to Boston because some rich, we want to experience killing someone bullies, murdered her son…. And in my line of work, she is not the only one……………we need to teach children to say each day, I am wonderful because God created me…………….and how to walk away from bullies. You are going to meet them all your life, you may have to quit a job, or move from your home, I met a Chief of Police who was so harassed by an old bag he had to sell his home and move away, HE had kept asking the city and county to put in laws so he could take her to court and get her to stop…………….but it wears a person down, even the CHIEF of Police to come home time after time to white papers on the door about some stupid thing that old hag has managed to find a city or country agency to harass about. He had to remove a two foot retaining wall that had been on the house when he BOUGHT it………….because this old bag found time to read all the city codes and find out it was six inches over the limit for needing a code enforced permit………..This family took their son away from one school of bullies, only to put him in another………..and yes, you are right, we need to pray………

  • liz4horses

    So now we get to it, you brother has aspergers and that is your angle…………….Maybe you are afraid he is going to kill himself………..I worked with a group of very prestigious and expensive Psychiatrists who recruited graduate students and GAVE their services away free…………the “cure” for asbergers, as well as autism and other brain and chemical disorders is to teach the person what their disorder is, and how they can act normal……….not expect the world to act around them…….Bullies are violent, and hateful people that need to be trained………..and working in juvenile criminal for decades, I can usually tell if these kids are going to end up one day, stopped by someone, or put in prison………if they do not learn to control their own mean streak………….

  • liz4horses

    Read you own statement……………and you are the one who keeps sending these rotten statements to me on my own social media………….

  • liz4horses

    I completely agree with you. It cost me YEARS of helping my sons and my nephew to realize that it was the school, not God, nor Jesus who was rotten…………….Look at Bill Maher, he says he was raised Catholic……….and he is an atheist……….one of the most world famous atheists…….that is NOT what Jesus told us…….

  • liz4horses

    I just know that you appear to be after this kid and his family………if he had gotten hit by a drunk driver would you be out here after them…..there is something mean about you ………..take a long look in the mirror and ask yourself what Jesus might think about your comments and actions in this matter……..why does it matter so much to you to be evil to this child. AND a private school is PAID to take care of the children, especially one that espouses itself as following Jesus………………..

  • racer brown

    So……..Lucy must be your alter ego
    Go to your corner and eat your apple sacue

  • GetAGripFolks

    Your statements on Rosemarie McGoldrick are horrendous and no better than the bullies that picked own Daniel Fitzpatrick. How can you say she “allowed” this to happen. You are demonizing someone without knowing them. No highly respected principal allowed Daniel to hang himself or encouraged the bullying that led to his death. She addressed the issue, implemented mandatory counseling and made formal recommendations to continue counseling. She even declined Daniel from returning for another year. Get the facts straight before ruining the lives of educators that until now have had a perfectly clean and respectable career.

  • Lindsay V

    When your child spends more time at school than they do at home it’s hard for us as parents to be able to protect them. His mother must be going through hell right now. In England if you don’t send your child to school you get fined and taken to court! So we have to send them to school to be subjected to bullying until you’ve explored the necessary avenues of the complaint procedure. His mother will hate herself for sending him to school. The school has a duty of care to make sure your child is safe whilst at school. Just like in America bullying is swept underneath the rug in order to preserve the schools reputation! Why oh why do these poor children have to be subjected to this sort of behaviour. The boys, parents and teachers should ALL be held accountable

  • KatyCourt

    Be curious, not judgmental. Walt Whitman. That quote has served me well. A lot of times the headline doesn’t tell the whole story.

  • KatyCourt

    Oh that’s a shame, the nuns in grammar school were certainly tough, but high school and college for my brothers and myself was much different and a very positive experience. Next generation now also going. One nephew left for the public school system due to his aspergers, the public school just has so much more resources than cash-poor Catholic one. He still does CCD there though.

  • KatyCourt

    Nasty piece of work. Keep up the bullying. Apparently you dislike any opinion that disagrees with your own. Tough to live in a world where you think your opinion is the only one that counts. I guess you enjoyed having another go at me. That’s what bullies are good at aren’t you.

  • Nora22

    I only posted the facts in his note. You said that was my opinion, which is an unbelievable twist. Your interest may only be prurient, as the boy is dead, now. Now you’ve mischaracterized my posts, so I won’t respond to you again.

  • GetAGripFolks

    I am not sure I understand when you say, “Don’t try to pin the content of the note one me…” I made no such reference. I also never made a claim that I knew anything. I simply asked questions.

    As for who is responsible, we know one party (the children that bullied this boy). I am interested in learning if anyone else contributed to it. This is the objective nature that I reference. You are arguing for arguing sake. It’s better to contribute to a discussion in hopes of realizing a solution that prevents it from happening again.

    Your statements are aggressive, hostile and resemble the best examples of “internet trolling/bulling”.

  • Nora22

    Anytime someone hurts so much that they commit self harm, the people who could have helped but instead blamed them for their problems and jeered at them are at fault.

    If the powerful individuals in this situation cover it up and “investigate” away their responsibility for this boy’s death, that changes nothing. It’s a toxic school with insensitive, cruel people who, instead of sharing Christian love and fellowship, shamed and ridiculed this boy. If home was bad, school could have been a haven. Instead, it was torture, and he died because of it, by his own words.

  • iclimbtrees

    The school’s website is down. Let’s hope it stays that way!

  • KatyCourt

    Gespin is bullying. That you are making a silly attempt to join him and justify the both of you bullying another poster crosses the boundaries of right/wrong. Maybe you two can get a discount 2 for 1 on those anti-bullying classes.

  • Nora22

    You fail to note that the school year ended weeks before his suicide as well. In fact, at about the same time as the note. Don’t try to pin the content of the note on me as my opinion. The facts are all his. You don’t need to find who is responsible, as the boy himself tells what drove him to suicide. It amazes me that you can think you know better, somehow. Nothing like being bullied even after death, I suppose.

    You talk as if objective, but make accusatory statements, which are anything but.

  • GetAGripFolks

    Nora22 – The teachers and administration did not bully this child. That statement is irresponsible as it’s strictly your opinion. That boys letter was written weeks before he committed suicide. The parents knew of that letter and was spoken about with his mother. That fact does open and require a closer look.

    I do not claim to know who is responsible nor have I ever stated otherwise. I am just being objective so we can focus on real facts and not conjecture.

  • Nora22

    Her cell has room for you, too. Or are you, she?

  • GetAGripFolks

    I would love to know more about the counselors that the parents sent Daniel Fitzpatrick to. If the parents refused the schools help for additional counseling, who treated him after? I am sure they can help answer more questions.

  • Nora22

    Except that your “logic” is faulty. The incontrovertible fact is that the boy’s own perception of the one area of his life that made the difference between life and death for him was school. And his treatment at school made the choice death for him.

    All else is moot, by his own words…

  • GetAGripFolks

    Still posting hate speech @Gespin3549. Still unhelpful.

  • GetAGripFolks

    Why are so many people concerned with Nora22 being part of the school. Perhaps hearing from someone on the inside could bring more clarity to the situation. The school, I am sure, has a position and its important to listen to it, not judge it. There is a great deal that can be learned here if we just stay objective and stop the hate mongering and mob mentality.

  • GetAGripFolks

    Yes, the bullying contributed to the boys death. So did the parents decisions or lack there of, so did the antidepressants and clear struggles within the home (the grandparents were fighting for the right to see the young boy.) There is nothing “red herring” about being objective and logical. Its part of coming to the truth and eliminating the noise and mob mentality.

  • KatyCourt

    Don’t let your lack of facts get in the way of making a judgment and passing sentence. You’d have been right at home at the Salem Witch trials apparently.

  • Nora22

    I hope you have no involvement with children or vulnerable groups of any kind.

  • Nora22

    You need the help, Katy. I hope you get it, along with some sensitivity.

  • Nora22

    His note is like the words of someone on their deathbed. The inescapable fact is that the boy blames the harsh, bullying treatment he received from teachers, kids and administration for his problems, not his home life, however bad or good that might have been.

    You have no facts otherwise, yet wish to point in a different direction than the boy himself does. I think he gets to be the expert on his own misery, not you.

  • Nora22

    All your comments are of the red herring variety, diversions from the fact that the boy’s note says the school, not his home life, were the source of his misery.

  • Nora22

    “Mental health issues” in any student does not force the school to bully anyone. A supportive environment doesn’t have students pointing there as a reason for self harm. I hope the school gets shut down for fostering the kind of invasive negative thinking you espouse here.

  • Nora22

    The point is that Lucy and you know too much and seem to be rationalizing away guilty consciences, hmmm?

  • Nora22

    The note said he was bullied by a teacher. Do you know how awful that is? That has NOTHING to do with what went on in his home. Many kids have bad home lives, yet thrive at school and rely on school for inspiration and the love and support they need to make it as human beings. That is what Catholic school SHOULD have been providing to this boy, instead of a snarky, mean, difficult and cruel environment for him to dread to the point that he killed himself.

    You’re wrong, as is Katy. And his teacher belongs fired and in jail.

  • GetAGripFolks

    I am not part of the school, nor am I a lawyer. I am just someone that has been touched by this tragedy. Your emotional responses are not helpful and certainly nothing based on fact or logic.

  • Nora22

    I think you are a pot…

  • Nora22

    Nothing will change the fact that the bullying teachers, administration and kids at this school murdered this boy and are probably doing the same things to other kids.

    Sharing grades with humiliation and shaming kids for their weight should get that teacher fired, but it’s probably everyday occurrence there. Shaming kids over their preferred games isn’t necessary even if they don’t want to play. The school turned this kid into a patsy and deserves to be shut down. Just a bunch of uncivilized sharks, eh? And you too, huh?

  • GetAGripFolks

    There is so much to say about the very sad loss of Daniel Fitzpatrick. It has certainly opened up a great deal of dialogue that should be discussed so we can educate our children on what it means to be a good Christian and the effects bullying can really have on young minds and spirits.

    Unfortunately, there is other dialogue that is just as sad as a result of this young man. The postings from adults defacing the image of a complete stranger (the principal) without knowing her or the whole story (just what the press reports) is just as bad as the boys who picked on and bullied little Daniel. The hate speech written online is palpable and in no way helps bring the positive attention and focus that is needed during this very difficult time to heal.

    Children attending this school (little children and teens) are finding their way to the internet and reading and seeing your posts, comments and hate speech. You are no better than the parents of Daniel who had to make difficult decisions about their troubled son.

    There are so many facts that are coming out now that are bringing much needed clarity to the terrible loss. Further investigation is needed both on the school and the parents to eliminate future suffering and loss.

    The parents admitted to knowing about the bullying and chose not to continue counseling as recommended by the school. They claimed they would get their own. Did they? With who? How many sessions?

    It is understood that the child was under a prescription for antidepressants. Which kind? How long? Did this contribute to the child’s will to terminate his own life? What doctor prescribed them?

    The parents also reenrolled the boy into Holy Angels after moving and made the conscience effort to return. Where they confident that the school handled the situation? If so what made them confident? Did they get clearance from a counselor? Did they set up a meeting to discuss with the Principal and counselors before returning?

    It is important to know that the school followed all procedures as required by the diocese. They met the 3 mandatory counseling sessions and made the formal recommendation to continue counseling and the parents declined. Due to the refusal of the parents to work with the school, the school acted responsibly and denied the student from returning.

    At this time, we should focus and pray for Daniel, his parents, the educators at the school, as well as the children and friends of Daniel that remain. Anything short of positive resolve is irresponsible. In God’s name we pray.

  • Nora22

    They are bullies, the teacher is a bully, and you make excuses for them. His blood is on all your hands. And more, since you are making excuses. What other students are being mistreated at that disgusting school?

  • Nora22

    I disagree. Gespin is righteously outraged. You are a bully apologist.

  • Nora22

    We will never have all the facts. We don’t need “all” the facts. Just the pertinent ones.

  • Nora22

    Prison for that teacher.

  • Nora22

    Your “point” is moot, as he says in his note that the TEACHER bullied him, leading other kids to do the same. The administration did nothing to help.

    He stated that he was BULLIED, not SHUNNED. Or don’t you know the difference?

  • GetAGripFolks

    There is so much to say about the very sad loss of Daniel Fitzpatrick. It has certainly opened up a great deal of dialogue that should be discussed so we can educate our children on what it means to be a good Christian and the effects bullying can really have on young minds and spirits.

    Unfortunately, there is other dialogue that is just as sad as a result of this young man. The postings from adults defacing the image of a complete stranger (the principal) without knowing her or the whole story (just what the press reports) is just as bad as the boys who picked on and bullied little Daniel. The hate speech written online is palpable and in no way helps bring the positive attention and focus that is needed during this very difficult time to heal.

    Children attending this school (little children and teens) are finding their way to the internet and reading and seeing your posts, comments and hate speech. You are no better than the parents of Daniel who had to make difficult decisions about their troubled son.

    There are so many facts that are coming out now that are bringing much needed clarity to the terrible loss. Further investigation is needed both on the school and the parents to eliminate future suffering and loss.

    The parents admitted to knowing about the bullying and chose not to continue counseling as recommended by the school. They claimed they would get their own. Did they? With who? How many sessions?

    It is understood that the child was under a prescription for antidepressants. Which kind? How long? Did this contribute to the child’s will to terminate his own life? What doctor prescribed them?

    The parents also reenrolled the boy into Holy Angels after moving and made the conscience effort to return. Where they confident that the school handled the situation? If so what made them confident? Did they get clearance from a counselor? Did they set up a meeting to discuss with the Principal and counselors before returning?

    It is important to know that the school followed all procedures as required by the diocese. They met the 3 mandatory counseling sessions and made the formal recommendation to continue counseling and the parents declined. Due to the refusal of the parents to work with the school, the school acted responsibly and denied the student from returning.

    At this time, we should focus and pray for Daniel, his parents, the educators at the school, as well as the children and friends of Daniel that remain. Anything short of positive resolve is irresponsible. In God’s name we pray.

  • Nora22

    No mental issue forced the teacher at the school to shame this boy by sharing grades in the classroom or calling him fat. Tactics like that are BULLYING by the teacher and signal other kids to bully him.

    NOTHING in the home causes the TEACHER to directly, purposely BULLY A CHILD. For the details in the note alone, that school should be shut down to prevent harm to additional kids.

  • Nora22

    The boy blamed the school in his note. The parents will suffer anyway. The people who need to change are at the school. Shaming kids over grades, being fat, etc. by teachers is BULLYING.

  • Nora22

    Sounds like you’ve got a bigger stake here than you’re saying. Do you work at this school? Do you think bullying is ever justified?

  • Nora22

    Yes, all the teachers and administrators who publish grades and shame students and call kids fat (as was in his note) and communicate to other kids to mistreat certain children should not only rot and burn, they should lose their jobs, be prosecuted for abuse and forced to clean toilets in jail for a living.

    And if that means you, well, good.

  • Nora22

    The proof is the blood on their hands for the death of this boy. Are you a teacher or person at this school? Or are you somewhere else, terrorizing some poor child?

  • Punched Lasagne

    Thank you. My opinion is based on first hand experience – my own 5 years of Catholic school education, my mother was a Catholic school teacher for 8 years, I put my kids through Catholic school for 11 years. We all look back on it now as if it were a strange dream. Why did we stick with it? like a battered wife that felt like she deserved the abuse at the time maybe.
    I will say that the quality of Catholic school education is excellent, but it comes at a price that’s simply not worth it.

  • Nora22

    Preponderance of evidence. No one will EVER get the “whole story;” the major character in the story is DEAD. But his words blame the school. And just as a murder victim’s last words indict the killer, this boy’s note clearly identifies his school as the source of misery which caused his suicide.

    We all recognize the signs of systematic, ongoing, daily abuse by teachers and students, sanctioned by administrators, that he mentions in his note. Think back to your school days, or your children’s for reference. My parents would have complained if grades had been shared or published, even though my siblings and I made straight A’s. My kid beat up bullies. Get a clue.

    I’d like to see the cycle of abuse ended at this school, even if they have to permanently shut down to do it.

  • bwithreason

    You do seem to have an agenda KayCourt – You obviously want to appear non-judgmentally but your opinions about this family are very judgmental.

  • bwithreason

    Exactly! well said Adriana – “bullying that is evidenced to be happening *at school* must be stopped AT SCHOOL.” It is the Bully that requires counselling – and the organisation where it is happening has the responsibility to ensure bullying is not tolerated. Full Stop

  • Nora22

    Punched is sharing an opinion, probably based on experience. If you have nothing to offer, why not shut up?

  • KatyCourt

    Yes, for children and schools there are anti-bullying programs. They have them for adults too if you’d like to consider one for yourself.

  • KatyCourt

    I hadn’t heard that about the antidepressants, poor kid. It’s very difficult to find the right and effective treatment for children with depression. I’ve read reports that it can increase risk of suicide. As I feared, there’s a lot going on with this situation, more than most of us will ever know. We can’t judge any of them involved. Terrible tragedy God help us.

  • KatyCourt

    but you’re not sitting in judgment of anyone are you?

  • KatyCourt

    I think the school is trying to respect the grief of the family. You don’t know that the school didn’t do enough and you certainly don’t know they didn’t care. We don’t know the situation at all. I thought there’d be more empathy for the people in this situation. But the judgment, anger, bitterness and lack of empathy is pretty shocking.

    You are right on one thing- the Catholic and Charter schools in NYC do not have the financial resources to deal with a troubled, vulnerable or learning disabled student and will always recommend to the parents that they find a school with more resources for their child – something Daniel’s mother acknowledged that they did say to her – that she should move Daniel to different school. But that’s not a judgment by the school, it’s simply looking out for a student (and family) who need more resources.

  • KatyCourt

    So racer, bully much? Why would you be so nasty to someone who is asking questions but not making judgments the way others are. Really. Your comment IMO was nasty and uncalled for. It also has no point to it.

  • KatyCourt

    Liz, no, you are trying to bully people here who don’t accept your opinion as ours. There are questions here that you refuse to acknowledge. You prefer to sit in judgment. Perhaps you harbor negative feelings towards Catholic schools from your own experiences. If that’s the case, then might be best if you took step back and realized this is a situation so much different than the one you mentioned earlier. You also need to stop disparaging everyone who doesn’t agree with you – it’s immature.

  • KatyCourt

    OMG – you and gespin are THE perfect example of bullies ganging up on someone who dares to think differently than the two of you do. Are you afraid she’s right? Or that because she hasn’t consigned those unknown boys to hell, that she’s a better person than you are? So interesting you exhibit right now, right here, all the things you say you hate about those unknown 5 boys. Scary too. Cause I’m a little afraid you have children, and are teaching them to be bullies too. Something to think about.

  • KatyCourt

    You need to check yourself. You are a nasty bully. Have a superman picture doesn’t make you a better person.

  • KatyCourt

    I think you are a nasty bully.

  • KatyCourt

    oh you’re right then. Nobody should consider that mental issues affect how people go through their lives. I mean really, mental health care – who needs that, eh

  • KatyCourt

    His mom said Daniel got in a fight with the other kid, cause he felt the kid was verbally bullying him and Daniel went at him physically. He was a boy after all.

  • KatyCourt

    Actually the school made one single statement, with no blame. Clearly they recognize that this is a grieving family. It’s the family reaching out, and the media going to the family as the school as refused to speak with the media. And I agree, they will shortly be on the morning shows. But they are in terrible state, anger and grief. I just hope they get the help they need as a family. That 17 year old daughter is just a wreck but might be the only leader.

  • KatyCourt

    Again, I thought everyone knows that bullying isn’t the answer. Take a look in the mirror. You will see a really nasty small-minded bully.

  • KatyCourt

    Or maybe she’s just realized all the facts aren’t in. You don’t have them. If you don’t have all the facts who are you to make a judgment and sentence of life in prison for these kids?

  • KatyCourt

    WTF? You accuse Lucy of blaming the parents when all she says we don’t have all the facts?? You don’t know what the school did or didn’t do. But you made a judgment and then criticize Lucy cause she doesn’t agree with you, and then accuse her of being biased. A little bullying from you eh?

  • KatyCourt

    WHAT??? You don’t even know that they bullied this boy. All you do know is that he and his mommy perceived it that way because they wouldn’t play games with him. They were playing basketball, and he wanted to play games they thought were babyish. And you want to send them to adult federal prison and also call them names? Don’t you go thinking you’re not a bully – you sure as heck are a bully,

  • KatyCourt

    THEY ARE KIDS. If they bullied – and that’s an if because we don’t have all the facts. But if they bullied, then there are anti-bullying programs for children and adults that work. The mom said the other kids wouldn’t play with him, and that he wasn’t ready to be as mature as the kids in his class. This poor boy was looking to play games, and the 13 year old kids in his class were past that, they had left games behind already. Is that bullying not to play what to a 13 year old was a baby’s game? (the mom said the other kids told her son he was a big baby.) In an other article, the mother said that the school told her that her son needed to repeat his grade, but that it had to be at another school as they couldn’t help him. We don’t know that the school didn’t do enough, and we don’t know that the parents didn’t do enough. There are too many things that are not in the public sphere for so many people to be jumping to conclusions and judging a school, and teenage kids who may or may not have been bullies. This is a terrible tragedy and cooler heads are needed, and less judgment.

  • KatyCourt

    sounds like you might be judging others before we all know all the facts.

  • KatyCourt

    oh my gosh – that’s the solution. a little kid bullies another kid, and shoot the kid to death. really? You wouldn’t think to teach a child how not to bully, bring them to an anti-bullying program instead? Your solution is kill them?

  • KatyCourt

    That might be. It might also be a case of the parents not able to see that their child might have needed the help offered, or might have needed to go to a school with more resources. Most Catholic schools in NYC are too broke to provide the same resources the city schools can for vulnerable at-risk children who are much less mature than their peer students, and unable to do the school work.

  • KatyCourt

    You came to a discussion board about a boy parents say was bullied to death and without knowing a darn thing about the situation wished little kids and teachers to rot in hell? That sounded reasonable to you? Mean and Bullying was the tactics you thought proper to use in a discussion on bullying? SMH

  • KatyCourt

    Waiting for all the facts to be in might be the thing that makes this poor boy’s tragic awful death most relevant. Perhaps ACS missed something in their assessment, sounds as if to the parents it was questions about drink or drug use. Perhaps Daniel needed to assessed for learning disabilities as the father said he used to have passing grades (not great ones, passing) but then he started failing. Not unusual for kids barely passing to start failing when the work becomes more advanced in school. Perhaps the school’s anti-bullying program not good enough too. The lessons the ACS and the schools can learn can be most relevant for the next Daniel to come through their doors.

  • KatyCourt

    Doesn’t mean that this situation was the same thing. There are some conflicting statements out there. The parents accused two different schools of bulling this year alone. The school says the parents refused to all counseling to continue. The parents say there was no help from the school. Then there’s that poor 17 year old sister who appears to be the leader in the family, setting up the gofundme. Brilliantly written note on it from her. She’s the one who was his caretaker in and out of the house, playing with him because he had no friends, checking his on-line status. The parents haven’t mentioned getting him help themselves after they turned down schools counseling. Then there’s the situation with Mr. Fitzpatrick parents forced to take them to court for Grandparents Visitation order. Had the Fitzpatricks cut family out of their lives? There are enough signals here that nobody should rush to judge this situation.

  • KatyCourt

    Sure, what do you, an adult, do on a message board discussing bulling but go ahead and bully another commentator? Seriously? Never entered your head you shouldn’t bully someone? How can we expect children not to bully, when the adults are bullies?

  • KatyCourt

    I’m afraid they might not have been able to, might not have been able to accept he needed more specialized help. Many Catholic and Charter schools don’t have the resources to work with vulnerable children, my brother was told by three Catholic schools he needed to have nephew in public school where they have much more resources. Finally they had to move to find good public schools and my nephew doing a lot better and back in mainstream.

  • KatyCourt

    I don’t think it’s blame, I think it’s a recognition that this is a tragedy, that was many months if not years in the making. The mom said when they moved to SI, he was bullied in that school, so took him out and commuted back to Bay Ridge and even though he was bullied there, kept him there. The school brought in counselor for him, but by law, after the 3rd session parents must give permission for the counseling to continue. Parents refused to give that permission. Did they get counseling for their son? Did that counselor report fears of suicide? The sister checked his online activity and thought he was happy and okay. Why is she the one checking in on her brother – she’s a kid herself. And of course you should report, that’s part of the job, and the caring of kids. Everyone should report. Everyone should also not be so quick to judge. This might be a very vulnerable family. The parents had the daughter who found him with NY Post. She’s a wreck, destroyed. She needs counseling and I hope someone’s getting it for her and also for the parents.

  • KatyCourt

    WE live in a society where you’re not supposed to judge before knowing all the information. You don’t know the credentials of the counselor. WE often see too many people too quick to judge in this country IMO.

  • racer brown

    So Lucy………you must work in the school’s cafeteria

  • racer brown

    Let’s hope you haven’t reproduced

  • liz4horses

    You must be the lawyer for the school. Lucy and Katy must be your clients…….mature??? The only thoughtful people…….YOU are a bully………and probably part of the school.

  • liz4horses

    Again LOL. you are cheering up my day!

    came back to say, wait until you read the getagrip persons response to you! What a strange group they are.

  • liz4horses

    Read the next comment from Lucy, I think it IS the Principal or a troll for the school.

  • liz4horses

    LOL. Love you.

  • liz4horses

    I agree with you, I have gotten responses and read more comments from Lucy, maybe she is the Principal????

  • liz4horses

    The;y did not break his finger by talking to him.

  • liz4horses

    Once a friend of mine was at a hospital that was trying to tell him that he and his girlfriend had mental problems, rather than a serious staph infection…………….the doctor was bullying the girl, and all of a sudden the young man said, what does her mental state have to do with sores on my penis……….the doctor said WHAT…….and found out that yes indeed they both had a serious staph infection…………caused by RELY…..which she had gotten in the mail………..both of them could have died. We as a country have to force resolution rather than cll names. That young man did NOT break his finger by his parents not getting along with their inlaws………………IF I did not want my children to see their grandparents, I would not go to court, I would have moved long before they filed suit…sounds like being bullied was something the parents did not know how to deal with either.

  • liz4horses

    You turn your other cheek, I knew you were some kind of blame the parents and the victim person from your posts…………I have run many successful bully abatement programs, and to tell the truth, when the bullies realize they are taking out their own self esteem problems, they begin to change………….and we DO teach the bullied to tough up……….and children do NOT always bully, they are taught it at home, and they bring it wherever they go. I worked with one school, the mother of one of the children was having her older daughter dropped off and she was bullying the whole of a preschool/kindergarden after school program. I did my observation and saw her terrify children into harming other children……….she was not the only one………and those two were monster kids. I said to the teachers, who sat there and did NOTHING, let me model something for you……..and I did. BOTH of those bullies were done bullying. The one was requested not to come back EVER to that school, she was too old, and had caused her Mom to have to pay someone to drop her at another day care to be picked up after work………..I think old Mom got the message. I also love the bring the parents (both sets) in by police…………first I give a warning, IF I have to deal one more time, I am going to send the police for your parents…………and give them some program to help them deal…………..if it happens again, I do send the police to their offices and homes and they are brought back…………..that generally ends the issues. The other students know I will do the same for them……….and pay attention and learn the bully abatement programs……soon, no bullying.

  • Adriana

    Bullying is EVERYWHERE. But that does not make it tolerable or acceptable. Any and every school OWES the children who attend there and their families a SAFE environment. This boy clearly did not feel safe. He cried out for help and did not get enough. To those who claim the parents are to blame, that’s ludicrous and not an acceptable answer. Yes parents have the first and foremost responsibility for watching for their child’s health and welfare – including their emotional well-being, but parents have the right to expect SAFETY from their school. I attended Catholic school for elementary, high school and even my university. My only child attends a Catholic elementary school now. Kids attend Catholic school on average of 8 hours a day, 8-3. Parents drop them off after being with them maybe 1-2 hours in the morning. Then if they work until let’s say, 5pm, see them for another 2-3 hours in the evening during which the feed them, help with homework and get them to bed. That’s life, that’s parenting. So be it. But it makes it clear to me that bullying that is evidenced to be happening *at school* must be stopped AT SCHOOL.

  • liz4horses

    OH, you just reminded me of my friend, he was one of the investigators at one of the mass school shootings, we were watching on television, and he said, what do you think………there was one jock, dancing around, smiling for the cameras, playing it up to the journalists, I said HIM……he is the reason. It turned out in the investigation, that yes indeed it WAS him. He was bullied at home for perfect grades, perfect everything and he took it right to school and bullied other kids……….with his “crew” People do not realize that rich white kids have gangs just as mean, and often more deadly than street gangs, I have worked with both, and give me the street gangs any day over rich white bullies…………and their over protective (of their family name, not the kid) families and lawyers. A cop once told me, you know what I like about gang work, they hit you, you hit them, they do not whine and get a lawyer……..these rich boys………they shoot at you, and you have to dodge the bullets and put up with it because they have lawyers, or the JUDGE is their Dad……..

  • liz4horses

    I think after reading enough of your comments, are either the mother of a bully, the Principal, or another teacher or principal who does not know how to control a school.

  • liz4horses

    I feel that you have some issue in this situation that you are not being honest about. Once again, you say “think the parents are trying to blame the school”………you have no idea how many parents come to the police ( I was a police dispatcher while in law school, and also volunteered in the community legal support project for thirteen years after I was disabled and parents called and begged for help, the districts told the police and community center to mind their own business)……..Maybe the Mom could have gotten a lawyer when he wrote the note, maybe she could have found a psychiatrist who only deals with bullied children…….and sued…………….but most parents are just trying to survive and have no idea how to train their children to be tough enough to deal with bullies. My Dad was a very decorated WWII veteran of combat behind enemy lines after he was dropped by parachute into hostile territory and just left to fend for himself. HE also was a Native American who had to put up with a lot of bullying in his life and live through it…….he taught us to just wait, the time would come and one on one let the leader of the gang, and then one by one if necessary, make sure that person NEVER bullied us again………..We are all old now, and all laugh because all of our sisters were the same…….quiet, well mannered, and when the time came, could beat the hell out of some big boy who had not had the sense to leave one of us alone. And said my Dad, be sure you make them know they are 1) not going to tell on you, and 2) be afraid to ever bother you again……………we all learned to do this verbally and how to handle things in a more acceptable way, even a lawsuit if need be as adults………….but it harms the soul to just let someone pound on you, physically, or verbally, and especially in a group………which most bullies do………because THEY are mostly cowards. This is why SCHOOLS and Police need to be trained and let the parties deal………..a couple of kids, handcuffed to the ends of two different tables, left to argue it out, for hours if need be…………….will finally get tired of it and come to an agreement……………I remember one kid who said to the boy she had hit……don’t you get it, if you accept my apology, we can go swimming…..we are missing the whole swimming period………he said, yes, that is true, but if you miss swimming, maybe you will leave me alone after this………and you know, she grew up to be one of the nicest women!

  • liz4horses

    The “counseling” might have been some dumb person at the school who was trying to convince the child being bullied, rather than asserting power and empowerment on how to deal with bullies. We often see children or teens who have had enough, they do NOT commit suicide, they take a gun to school, or a knife and settle the matter themselves and THEY get in trouble…………..not that I think the school should ever allow it to get to that place. WE live in a society that bullies, and pay the same price, some people kill themselves, others kill those they see bullying them…………..

  • liz4horses

    It is very difficult to get counseling for a child who is being bullied……….the problem is not the problem of the child, it is the problem of the bully. The therapist might have contacted the school……..with permission of the parents…….but the truth is……..and I worked with many districts and many private schools teaching Youth Protection Act which the teachers are MANDATED to teach, yet do not…………..the schools try and NOT deal. In fact, even seriously mentally ill students are not dealt with, a friend of mine had back, knee and shoulder surgery, and had to retire early, the district forced her out, when assaulted by an eighth grader who police had come out many times for him assaulting students and other teachers…….private schools are the worst……they are so worried about getting sued they make up their own rules, like three times with photographs and documented before they call the police……the law is……IF they see injuries or bruises and it “might” be abuse, they have to contact the police. I had a friend in the police youth division and I would report to him every time, no matter what the school said……rather to lose my job, than a child be harmed, and selfishly, for me to lose my freedom and get sent to jail for not reporting………………..To attempt to blame the parents in this situation is to refuse to deal with that many if not most of our schools, public and private, are unsafe places that do NOT teach youth to stand up to bullies.

  • Patti

    Lucy…are you a nun? or work for the school? Blaming the victim is never the answer. Even if “bullying has been going on since the beginning of time”it is wrong and the school has a responsibility to protect children from such behavior. You tell a 13 year old to get over it? Turn the other cheek? Make other friends in an environment where he is already targeted. You must be a nun. After years of catholic school I recognize this tactic…a best defense is a good offense. And most certainly you have never had a 13 year old who was in pain. Sigh…sad.

  • Punched Lasagne

    WWJB?
    Who Would Jesus Bully?

  • Punched Lasagne

    Blood on their hands.
    This is typical Catholic school methods: humiliation and public shaming of students, exclusivity and snobbery from the administration.

  • GetAGripFolks

    Gespin3549 – You yourself are acting like a bully. Lucy and KatyCourt are the only ones posting mature, thoughtful commentary. We don’t know what happened to this boy other than he passed much too soon. They do bring up a good point though… seems odd that the parents are not being scrutinized as much as the school. grandparents had clear concerns as did the school. The parents declined more sessions. They said that they went somewhere else for counseling. Where? When? Did they? Where is the research and investigation? Did you know the kid was antidepressants? Who prescribed them? Did someone monitor the side effects? too many questions.

  • gespin3549

    You must be the principal’s lesbian lover, you side with her so much. You’re disgusting and apparently have no heart.

  • gespin3549

    Lucy, what the fuck is wrong with you? Are you bedding the little mongrels that you are standing up for them and trying to protect them??? Please try to use your brain before spewing sewage from that hole in your face, or in this case from your cancerous fingers on keyboard!

  • gespin3549

    expelled? they should at the least go to federal prison for the rest of their mongrel bastard lives.

  • gespin3549

    “anti bullying program”//??????? AAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA…Thanks for the laugh!

  • gespin3549

    All bullies should be executed on the spot. Bullet through the head. Will send a definitive message to potential assholes to not even try.

  • Alti

    Sounds like Rosemary McGoldrick and several other teachers and students at this school have blood on their hands

  • KatyCourt

    Never thought it was drugs issue, their refusal to grant permission to continue the counseling was odd. That and the grandparents being forced to go to court for visitation rights. And of course, that the schools in SI also bullying. They wouldn’t be the first parents or the last to have their own issues and unable to deal with them.

  • KatyCourt

    First, Opinion, like yours. Why are you trying to bully me about voicing my opinion and asking questions? I note that you didn’t actually address the questions I raised. Instead you try to shit me down. AND didn’t you judge the school rather quickly without knowing the facts? Quite ironic really, you bullying me isn’t it. And not well done of you. There are anti-bullying programs for adults also, good luck.

  • SoCalmom

    I do and I don’t want to get into a war of words so to speak. I just believe the school/families should refrain from saying anything negative about the parents. This is an awful situation and hopefully some good can come from this. Unfortunately, the media sensationalizes tragedies and I think what makes this story even more crazy is that this letter was exposed and it was stated that he went to a private school. I’m sure these parents will be on Good Morning America on Monday with their lawyer. It’s just the way things work.

  • SoCalmom

    It’s scary that a poor kid is dead and shouldn’t be. I’m not going to go down a rabbit hole here, but if there was bullying happening at school, it needed to stop! Most of us teach our kids not to bully. I even throw out there that suicide can be an end result. The school needs to be held accountable for failing on their end. Because truthfully, this child was failed by many. To blame this child’s family is really not going to garner any sympathy for the school either. There is enough blame to go around. This school has an opportunity to truly embrace this tragedy and use it to bring about awareness and change. They may not be able to change the home lives of their students, but they can at least make certain that they ALWAYS provide a safe place at school.

  • Lucy

    Bullying has been going on since the dawn of time. It goes on now and will always exist. It’s up to parents to raise children who are confident and happy. If they run into trouble then it’s up to parents to help their child out. You can yell and scream at the bully all you want but you need to make your own child realize that bullies are just looking for attention and are the ones who need help. Turn the other cheek. Be the bigger person.

  • Lucy

    I keep reading about him being bullied about his weight and innocent heart yet his letter doesn’t mention that. Those are moms words. She was paranoid. It’s obvious.

  • Lucy

    What have they done? Show me the proof?

  • Lucy

    That’s really sad. I work at an elementary school and there are so many rules and regulations when it comes to dealing with social issues. I wish the people condemning the school and bullies would realize this. I feel that in time, when the truth comes out, we will find that his parents and not the school failed him. They are trying to scramble to place blame somewhere.

  • Lucy

    We don’t know the extent of the so called bullying. They may have just said ” we don’t want to play with you” and he took it to heart. That’s not bullying but to a depressed kid, it’s devistaing. I hope you see my point.

  • SoCalmom

    They should be expelled. Too bad. A message needs to be sent to these boys that what they did does not get tolerated. They still have lives to live. This kid doesn’t. Listen, the truth here is that many kids in schools have pretty crappy home lives. Often times, I’m sure it’s hard to identify the kids who do, from ones who don’t. However, when you have a 13 yr old, with a known history of dysfunction in the home, and is being bullied on top of that, then you do what you can to help this kid! If they knew that this poor kid had issues at home, why in all heck did they not STOP the bullying happening at school? They were aware that there were issues at home and still did NOT do enough to stop the abuse happening on their watch? Shame on them even more so.

    If I were you, I would be very careful in disclosing all the private information that you obviously have. If in any way you are trying to blame this boy’s family for his death, shame on you. I’m sure that there were problems, however in this dead child’s own words, it was the school that failed him. I am sure there is much more to this, but the school didn’t do enough.

  • Lucy

    They ordered drug tests on the parents that came back ok.

  • Lucy

    So you were involved with this family? Why are you ganging up on and condemning this school without having the files in front of you that document his case? You are assuming. You are angry at something that isn’t proven to be factual as of yet.

  • Lucy

    What about the fact that back in 2014, mom wrote on social media that she was placing her kids in a certain school because she KNEW they’d be bullied at the other one? How did she know they’d be bullied? Seems odd. Then in 2016 they were fighting to keep the grandparents from having visitation rights. sounds like mom was well aware of her sons troubles but what did she do?

  • Lucy

    These parents HAD the chance to fight for him. Why didn’t they?

  • Lucy

    Agreed. Almost everyone is forming a conclusion based on a deceased child and what his parents are putting out there. Not trying to make his death irrelevant or not tragic but how can you make a final decision without the whole story?

  • Lucy

    It’s scary that you assume what you read is true. Media is saying this is a suicide note. It’s clearly not. His mom is admitting she knew he wrote it. He left his school and came back and things were worse. Why wouldn’t his parents tell him to find new friends, etc.? I think parents are trying to blame the school when they were the ones ultimately responsible for him.

  • KatyCourt

    Apparently the school is saying they tried to help, but …

    Carolyn Erstad, a spokesperson for the Brooklyn diocese, said that under state guidelines, a school guidance counselor was allowed to meet with Danny three times before requiring consent from his parents for more meetings.

    A counselor did meet with Danny three times and at that point, Erstad said, reached out to his parents, who declined to give consent for further meetings.

    “I spoke at length with the school principal, with one of Danny’s teachers,” Erstad said. They loved Danny. They cared about this young boy, and they sincerely believe they did everything in their power to help him.”

  • KatyCourt

    In fairness, I’ve read reports of the steps that high school has taken since poor Bart’s suicide. The week after the suicide they held large anti-bullying rally in the town, the senior class leadership started an anti-bullying club. They’ve released an app where kids can tell school they’re being bullied, Anonymous Alerts. Bullies are the scourge of society, in schools and the workplace. His sister said that he was good at hiding his feelings from his family, and she thought he was going through same teenage years as she did. Very sad for her, I fear she feels she should have known something was wrong. She said he was awkward socially, so once in while she’d check his computer, but the last time she looked he was “talking of happy things, seemed he had friends to talk to”. For every bully, I truly believe there are many more good people.

  • KatyCourt

    I read in article that the school had concerns about the family, and contacted social services. Also, the parents appear to have gotten no counseling for their son. worrying.

  • KatyCourt

    I fear we don’t have the full story. Don’t judge yet, there appear to be many problems within the immediate family.

  • KatyCourt

    There’s something very off with this story. This poor boy I fear was left without any support,and perhaps so are his siblings also. The family “forced” to moved from Bay Ridge to Staten Island, yet the mother said she was forced to keep the kids in school in Bay Ridge because if you’re not raised in Staten Island then the kids in school treat you like an outsider and you get bullied. So that’s two schools she accuses of bullying. She said her son was being bullied over his weight and his “innocent heart”. I can believe the bullying over weight because some kids are so cruel. But no 13 year old bullies another over their “innocent heart”.Then his grades tanked, seriously. Scarily there’s no mention whatsoever of getting this deeply troubled and bullied teenager any counseling to deal with the bullying, depression or other issues. Why is that? Were parents afraid to have mental health counseling? Who doesn’t get help for their child but instead moves and cuts them off from family and friends? Also, the father’s parents had to take them to court to get order of Grandparent Visitation rights because the parents refused to let the children be with their grandparents over a dispute between the grownups, which the judge granted, dismissing the parents contentions. What? The school of Bay Ridge suggested he needed to repeat his grade instead of moving up, and that it would be best in another school. School also contacted Social Services with concerns. It doesn’t sound as if the school wasn’t addressing issues, it sounds as if the mother/father didn’t want to accept that perhaps the problems emanated from within the home. I hope this family gets the help they need, especially for his sister who had to deal with his death and that she found him. Mental issues are detrimental to a family, no matter who suffers from them, parent or child. The bullying and name-calling also needs to be addressed, and the five named boys and their parents all need to attend anti bullying program. You don’t pick on and bully anyone.

  • Faith

    FIRED????????? the wench should be fired, tared and feathered and run out of town on a rail. Send the bitch over to ISIS-they will teach her a lesson or two.
    If I was the parent of a student there ,just WATCH how fast i would UNENROLL my child! This school should be shut down.
    Sue,sue, sue, sue sue.

  • Faith

    There was one 3 years ago in Greenwich Ct. I believe that Bart was 15.The young boy claimed his own life as he was so bullied in school and no one at the school seemed to either care or help. His parents went to the school over and over and over again but nothing was done.Bart ended up killing himself the first day of school 3 years ago. He wrote that this was the only way he could escape his tormentors. It was awful! THEN the paper showed photos of all the students who “went to the funeral”,all the little asswipes who treated him so badly during his lifetime ,and all of a sudden they are “crying into a box of Keenix”.
    I bet one of these little bastards was the one who slammed Bart’s head up against a locker so hard that he required stitches to close the wound AND, GREENWICH HIGH SCHOOL did NOTHING!
    OMG! IF I was the mother of either of these boys there would be hell to pay! Oh, TRUST ME! .GOD ALMIGHTY!
    What the eff is wrong with these kids these days???????????
    Bastards.
    They do not have souls.

  • liz4horses

    I so agree that Jesus is not pleased. I think, in particular religious schools or churches, or community groups that SAY they are acting like Jesus, should ACT like Jesus…………in the story of the woman who was going to be stoned……..Jesus said……let him who is without sin cast the first stone…………….we need to make sure ALL our children know this……..I was raised in the era of those old re run Frankenstein and Dracula movies, I NEVER thought it was a commercial for how I should live my life……and did not know ONE SINGLE person who did. Our kids are being influenced by our own attitude of “kids will be kids”…..it is not true. Three girls in our area after being tried as adults are going to spend the entire rest of their lives in prison……….for going out and killing the girl who was having sex with the boy they all had crushes on………..that is sick and sorry. TWO more are going to spend the entire rest of their lives in prison, also tried as adults for using Mommies car and driving a guy who testified against them……….to the mall where one of THEM shot a kid in a driveby for the one who testified against them……………..and all of these kids had had problems in school, but NO ONE helped them either. And it is EASY to help them. In our programs we ASK the youth to help themselves, we point out that what they are doing is NOT OK, and they can find no way to justify their bad behavior……………These are programs with more than fifty years of success behind them, but when we offer to train schools or districts, we are told “we have a program” yes, and I bet this school has a program too…………….

  • liz4horses

    I have to say that TWO of the Catholic schools my sons attended years ago were just as bad. In one a NUN decided to dislike my younger son……she would blame him for things he did not do, one day I was called to the Principal’s office and told he was being kicked out for selling drugs at school. HE WAS EIGHT. I said I want a hearing, or we will sue………you better have proof…..this nun had already told many of the parents, some of them had come to me with the gossip. I went to the meeting with the boy who had spread the gossip and his parents, and of course my son. The Principal asked him, what is it you said this boy did, and how do you know…….he said, I don’t know this kid……….she said what….you told us Dean………..blah blah. he said yeah, Dean XXXX. It was an eighth grader, who had nothing to do with my son. My son hated the school and the church and pretty much God for many years after that lovely experience. My older son was attending a prestigious high school and got bone and blood cancer……………he was an amazing student, already had applications and invitations from many prestigious colleges and universities, scholarship offers……he was the singer in a band, and in dirt biking sports, and yet the gossip went around that he had AIDS and he was shunned when he came back. He also was give a deduction on his grades for being in the hospital (City of Hope in isolation) for 42 days, which I had to threaten to sue to have removed. He had done every paper, and made up all the work he missed when he returned to school………..yet they were quite happy to lower his grades……………and this was the SCHOOL, not just the rotten students leading the way………..another son who it took years to help realize GOD is not a catholic school.

  • SoCalmom

    This is the most disgusting story I have ever read. I am taking the word of this dead student, (whom THEY murdered) he felt like no one cared, no one listened, no one did anything. NO ONE should ever have to feel this way. NO ONE should ever have to hurt so much. Shame on all of you, every one of you who was aware of this and did nothing. As for those abusers, well parents, I hope you are proud of your kids. You are doing a stellar job.

    I also believe that they saw this child and family as a “problem”, “misfits”, and an inconvenience. They didn’t want to deal with the true nature of the problem, because hey they were getting paid by these other families for their kids to attend school there. They couldn’t “afford” to address the real problem.

    Rosemary McGoldrick, I hope you are proud of your leadership. This is disgusting and you should be fired. YOU ALLOWED this to happen. Actually, the school should be shut down. You tried to keep everything hush hush and didn’t want to draw attention to the disgusting, sick behavior of your staff and students, so you kept it quiet. You didn’t want your enrollment affected. Well lady, I hope people distance themselves from this school. There is NO excuse for any of this.

  • vanillanova

    disgusting…karma will visit that school, those teachers and the monstrous little perverts that harrassed that inocent kid…they’ll all rot in hell for what they’ve done

  • GeeWizFolks59

    Blood On Hands.

    When teachers and principals are told by a kids that Bullying, on-going Harassment is going on and do nothing except investigate the FAMILY because the school Administration doesn’t wish to change THEIR modus operandi, then I’d say YES Blood IS on the School’s Hands- – School Administration and students who participated in the harassment.

    And you just KNOW that, once word was out that Danny killed himself, some students were “happy” and some probably thought his death was “Cool”.

    Maybe take those and the harassing kids to a morgue to see a kid their age who’s killed him/herself and they can see just how “Cool” it ISN’T.

    As for the Adults at school who refused to Get involved: REALLY? You ignore a student’s pleas for help? You Blame the student and family for YOUR negligence in checking out Danny’s Bullies/tormentors? And you run your school as a CHRISTIAN School?

    Jesus is vomiting.