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Brian and Karen Short murder suicide pact: ‘It’s a complex death’

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What prompted one family into carrying out a murder suicide pact? Pictured during recent holidays to Cancun, Mexico. Brian and Karen Short and their three children, Brooklyn, Madison and Cole. 

Investigators have told a day after the bodies of five individuals at a Greenwood, Minnesota family mansion home were discovered dead, in what has since billed the Brian and Karen Short murder suicide pact was the result of a complex situation.

Reiterated Hennepin County Sheriff’s Office Police Chief who described the deaths as part of complex crime scene: ‘Obviously it’s an extremely tragic event and it’s going to take some time to sort through.’

Of question is how the family of five which also included 17 year old son, Cole, and sisters, Madison, 15 and Brooklyn, 14 actually came to die, with investigators only telling that each family member was found in different parts of the mansion. In what degree of disrepair and how each family member died has yet to be disclosed by cops, who are refusing to provide more detail, only to say that the bodies bore ‘traumatic injuries.’

Upon entering the family home, cops encountered a small dog before finding one victim in a bedroom, a second in the basement garage, two in the basement and the final body in a lower-level bedroom.

Brian and Karen Short murder suicide pact
Brian and Karen Short

Since news of the family deaths, which had come to the fore after concerned friends had not heard or seen the family in recent days, with the children reported not attending school, neighbors have spoken of finding nearby streets blocked off.

Speaking to various media outlets, neighbor Doug Plocek told how he was shocked to learn of the deaths. He said the family was always friendly and said he used to see the children walking along their quiet street with friends.

They were good neighbors,’ Plocek told the Minneapolis Star Tribune. ‘This whole thing, we’re trying to wrap our heads around it.’

Roy Schepers, a friend of Cole Short’s, noted that he had recently spent time with the 17-year-old.

‘He seemed happy, he was laughing with us,’  he told CBS Minnesota. ‘Life was good.’

Brian and Karen Short murder suicide pact

Strangely the family’s deaths come after having returned from a vacation to Cancun, Mexico, raising the question if a matter of dire finances was not the instigating matter which led to the deaths. Could one suppose that the family had trekked out earlier in April with high spirits only to sink to despair in recent months before deciding to end matters?

According to a report via bizjournals, Brian Short, who was a nursing student before launching his company, All Nurses reported $1 million in annual revenue in a 2012 profile in the Business Journal. Whilst it is not necessarily understood how family finances or work operations stood at the time of the family’s demise, some have wondered if as a nurse, the father may have opted out to ‘terminate’ out of dire circumstances the way a terminally ill patient, whom presumably had come to observe may have chosen to opt out?

Speaking to the startribune, Police Chief Siitari said he has never seen a scene so grim in his three decades of police work, and that finding the bodies was very hard on the officers involved.

‘There’re no words to describe it,‘ he said. ‘This is a tough one to handle.’

Of question is what prompted the murder suicide pact and how family members came to individually die and what clues will be unearthed in the days ahead?

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Brian and Karen Short murder suicide pact

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  • Brenda Renolds

    inner workings

  • Brenda Renolds

    Diddler

  • Brenda Renolds

    someone really likes “inner workings”

  • Brenda Renolds

    “inner workings”

  • Brenda Renolds

    Some village lost it’s idiot… hmmm… not original but, I’m guessing you shovel sh*t for a living so I should expect much originality. Here’s something just for you douche breath… when you leave a village, they lose their diddler.

  • Cat Gorham

    Wow, Bren-duh. Thanks for proving your stupidity post after post. Keep it going…..some village really lost its idiot when you left.

  • Brenda Renolds

    Cat Gorham, which loosely translates into douche breath… You actually did a post without saying “inner workings” Good for you. That life coach who’s working to get you off minimum wage and out of your parent’s basement is really doing a fantastic job.

  • Cat Gorham

    Yeah, Bren-duh. Whatever. Lawsuit filed against AllNurses.com and Brian Short
    101 pages
    1-1.pdf I looked into the details that you couldn’t handle. Go copy some more song lyrics.

  • Liz Leyden

    I’m not saying he was using medical marijuana. I’m saying that if he was using it, no one would blame it for the murder-suicide, unlike antidepressants. Psych meds are stigmatized.

    “.70 % of patients on anti-depressants are not depressed.” Citation?

  • Kathryn Wakeford

    A psychotic depression.. treated by whom?

  • Kathryn Wakeford

    Medical marijuana has no place in this discussion. It has not been documented that Mr. Short was under the influence of medical marijuana. Do your research.

  • Liz Leyden

    Medical marijuana advocates tout it as a cure for literally everything, including depression.

    If a person with cancer has surgery, radiation, and chemotherapy, then dies, are the surgery, radiation, or chemotherapy blamed? Usually no.Depression is a common cause of suicide, yet people want to blame the treatment, not the disease.

  • Kathryn Wakeford

    Not a stigma.. a fact. 70 % of patients on anti-depressants are not depressed. They are prescribed these drugs to make money for big pharma.It interes with brain chemistry sometimes.. causing suicide. Do your research. What has marijuana got do do with the discussion?

  • Brenda Renolds

    “inner workings”… you have anything else to say?
    Also, “several (many)”… you really should have finished your GED…

  • Brenda Renolds

    “inner workings” PLUS MORE ALL CAPS… I sense a pattern… hey, don’t stress your brain Kitty-Cat and keep using what’s worked in the past!

  • Brenda Renolds

    It’s nice to have no clue about situations and chime in. The “lawsuit”… gheez… look into the details and you could learn something, Moron (base on your posts, I can tell you’re not quick to put things together so… yes, Cat, I’m calling you a moron)

  • Brenda Renolds

    So empathetic Cat. Thanks for sharing this.. it makes those who knew the family feel so much better that you feel it’s a shame.

  • Liz Leyden

    Score one for the psych med stigma. Would you say the same if he was on antibiotics? What if he had just smoked a bowl (since weed apparently cures everything)?

  • Cat Gorham

    I wonder if the pending lawsuit has a part in it. I wouldn’t doubt it…..

  • Cat Gorham

    I agree, it is a shame he felt he had to shoot his wife and kids.

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    I haven’t been active for at least 4 years. I was a moderator for awhile. This turned me off to the site so I left.

    My point was that the full details weren’t known around the crime. The real point I was trying to make was that it was a tragedy for everyone concerned.

  • Cat Gorham

    Viking, I know you are a member of AN. Am surprised you aren’t a sock monkey as we termed it at AN. In fact, I wouldn’t doubt this is your ‘allowed’ second account there.

    Brian just returned from Cancun? Second trip that I know of. Am surprised he’s even been to Gooseberry Falls near Duluth. Saw a picture of him and the family there, and guessed it right off. Of corse, it does help having lived up there.

    Yes, I have seen the ‘inner workings’ at AN. TRUST me! There IS a hack called ‘tachy’ that will let ‘nailed’ members post, but no one else can see said posts. I know this has happened to me. Seriously, a 3 year ‘blank’ from my last post to when I last signed in? Get real!

    I can name several of the old Admins from back in the day. Seems like Siri is pretty much the only static one. Kinda surprising, with her past Arkansas BON problems. Feel free to look it up at the BON.

    Am sorry Karen and the kids had to suffer the consequences.

  • Dan Hennen

    What if they were all murdered? Appears to be a professional hit.

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    We don’t know the while story. I would be careful with these statements.

  • VikingAPRNCNP

    I knew Brian through all nurses. He was trying to do his best for the people he knew. It wasn’t a pact. It was psychotic depression that killed this family.

  • Kathryn Wakeford

    Brian was on the big Pharma money maker .. anti-depressants. Anti-depressants mess with an already messed up mind. His doctor and the pharmaceutical company are the real murderers.

  • Stevie Ray Vaughn

    This has been reported, and I believe you. Short was a person who was all in on his website and the lavish lifestyle he and his family led. Once he saw the jig was up and he’d been found to be the fraud he was, he decided to end it all and take his entire family with him to Hell.

  • Cat Gorham

    I would look into the ‘inner workings’ of the site. Say the Administrator sections, and have help from an independent computer analyst. Why? I know several (many) people who have been banned from the site, and some just because their opinions differed from Mr Short’s. He has also posted derogatory comments on a website setup forum about a former member. Check VBulletin and The AdminZone. Do a search for his username of heynurse. Kid you not.

  • B rad

    Local news site says wife called 911, so that makes it difficult to think she was in it or part of a “pact”

  • Liz Leyden

    So no one else is saying there was a pact? Not even anonymous sources? Is this what passes for journalism nowadays?

  • me

    none of your business stop don’t worry of others worry of you . people are so quick to jump in mind your own business so damn nosey .

  • Liz Leyden

    “in what has since billed the Brian and Karen Short murder suicide pact”

    By whom, aside from you?

  • dbsherri

    my thoughts exactly. No real information makes it easy to spread gossip

  • Fact Checker

    A murder-suicide is not the same thing as a “murder-suicide pact” … They are entirely different situations. Please be careful not to spread misinformation.